Our attitudes toward paedophiles.

A: 16 year old lad sleeping with a 15 year old girl?
Wrong because of laws?

B: 50 year old man sleeping with a 16 year old girl?
Wrong because of morality?

Where exactly does the double standards flip? Also what are you basing your view of morality on?

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fatiain said:
No, I wouldn't. Not even in the last minute of the day before her birthday.
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By that train of thought would you never go 1mph above a speed limit?

Should paedophilia (sp?) not be regarded as a mental illness?
Surley it is only commited by people who suffer from a personality disorder, and have a different perspective and emotional responses from 'normal' people

Freund said:
at least a quarter of all adult men may have some feelings of sexual arousal in connection with children
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Stag said:
A: 16 year old lad sleeping with a 15 year old girl?
Wrong because of laws?
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But permissable, the CPS wouldn't prosecute. Morally, it's not that wrong either.

Stag said:
B: 50 year old man sleeping with a 16 year old girl?
Wrong because of morality?
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If you had a 16 year old daughter, would you be happy with her sleeping with someone old enough to be her Grandfather? I sure as hell wouldn't. What would the average man in the street think? That's where the morality comes in. TBH the idea of a 50 year old man with a 16 year old girl sickens me to the core.

Stag said:
Where exactly does the double standards flip? Also what are you basing your view of morality on?
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No double standards as far as I can see. And my morality is based on my life so far (all 34 years of it). Where does yours come from?
 
fatiain said:
Does going 1mph over the speed limit harm anyone?
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Does sleeping with a girl 1 min before her 16th bday really harm anyone?


With both cases, the answer could be yes given a certain set of circumstances
 
fatiain said:
No double standards as far as I can see. And my morality is based on my life so far (all 34 years of it). Where does yours come from?
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Possibly double standards was the wrong choice of phrase, by it I meant when do the blurred lines of morality and law crossover.

What makes it morally wrong for a 50 year old to sleep with a 16 year old? In your 34 years of life, what has formed your view of morality? Things are wrong because the laws say so, yet the above scenario is perfectly legal.

My morales I guess firstly come from my Christian upbringing, though I chose not to adopt the faith I'm sure they had an impact on my view of right and wrong. If in your 34 years is based purely on social norms from life experience can you not see that morality is a very fluid construct which is different for everyone.

Laws are then guided by the ruling societies current moral code, which obviously change over time. It will be interesting to see what the laws are and the accepted moral code are in 50 years time.

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Stag said:
A: 16 year old lad sleeping with a 15 year old girl?
Wrong because of laws?

B: 50 year old man sleeping with a 16 year old girl?
Wrong because of morality?

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i think the notion is that the 50 year old should know better, is taking advantage, and should basically follow the conventions of our culture and find someone more of his own age..

A+B are both wrong due to the law, however due to the above conventions of society it is seen as more "OKAY" for people to sleep with others round about their own age. and given that many women will lose their virginity before they hit 16, a 16+15 year old isnt really shocking news to any of us is it?

of course the 16 year old wont be taking advantage, and would only want to marry the gal the day after;)
 
My view is that paedophillia like homosexuality is another mental condition that affects a persons sexual preference. The difference is that paedophiles will usually need to resort to abuse and violence in order to quench their sexual desires due to the nature of their sexual targets (children). Combine this with the fact that all humans (or most animals for that matter) who enter parenthood will naturally have very strong protective instincts towards their children, you now have a very conflicting and potentially volatile situation.

Now humans being intelligent (in comparision to other animals) can create rules to deal with this so as to avoid conflict. The rules will either involve the supression of paedophillia or the supression of natural parental instincts. Since parental instincts are vital towards the survival of our species we will need to suppress paedophillia.
 
titaniumx3 said:
Since parental instincts are vital towards the survival of our species we will need to suppress paedophillia.
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Then homosexuality should be suppressed as it is not "vital towards the survival of our species"

Not a good point to back your statement with.

Mark
 
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mrd I think you are missing his point, he was talking in the case of paedophilia where the parental instincts do activate "vital towards the survival of our species" brain circuitry. Nothing to do with homosexuals as they are engaging with fully consenting adults, though their parents probably would frown upon it. ;)
 
robmiller said:
You added the bit about not sleeping with 16 year olds too, which is fair enough, but let's rephrase the question slightly: if you were 17/18—a perfectly reasonable age difference to sleep with a 16 year old—would you sleep with a 15.9 year old?

I understand why the law is arbitrary and clear-cut (it has to be somewhere) but I have no idea why people's morals have to be too, it's weird.
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I am 18, I have a 15 year old girlfriend.
Will I have sex with her, No.
Would I like to, Oh yes.
If there was no law would I have sex with her, Oh yes.
I will not sleep with her until she is 16, not the day before or hour before but when she is 16, this is not because I dont think she is mentally capable of making that sort of discision it is out of respect for the law

For me morals on this subject come in twice. Morals for the Law which is what effects myself and my gf and the personal morals I have. This is where the 50 year old and 16 year old come in. In the eyes of the law this is fine but for me I think it is very, very wrong.

If I slept with my gf I would be catergorised under the same law that the 50 year old would be if he slept with someone the same age, for me this is fair. The law is clear cut, there is no excuse for not knowing the rules and if you break them then it is your own damn fault.

While I understand what EL R is saying I have to say I disagree, being homosexual is very different. While kept within the adult community there is no issue but it is age that is in question here, weather the Paedo might like girls or boys is a non-issue. I want to have sex with my gf but i dont. Paedos want to have sex with underaged kids but they do. There is the problem. They know the law but they choose to break it thus they must be punished. Now the law must be upheld by punishment, to encompass such a large veritey of situations from people my age and gf to 50 and 12 year olds, the punishment must suit all and in this case it is fair that the punishment is suitably harsh to prevent all cases.

The need to stop Paedophilia arises from the irrefuatable fact that younger children are very easily mentally scarred by the sort of activity in question, I do not think there is a valid argument against this but as in all things I could be wrong.
 
dirtydog said:
It is impossible to 'stop' paedophilia, because paedophilia is a thought in someone's head. Paedophilia does not mean the abuse of children.
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Thought Police?

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