Our new minister for equality...

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Woden said:
Then the Tories will get in and cut education spending (while whining about schools not doing well enough) and cut policing (while whining about crime rates) and cut health spending and complain about waiting lists being over-target.

They don't see themselves as governing people, they govern bank balances. Mostly to the advantage of their buddies.
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... and why are they having to cut education, policing and health spending? Is it maybe because we don't (and never did) have the money to fund them to their idealistic levels. Money doesn't grow on trees, so the way Labour were running the country was not sustainable, unfortunately in life you cant always have everything you want which is what Labour tried to provide by overstretching services and support to breaking point and then trying to resolve the issue by throwing money at it. I am afraid it is just not realistic.
 
pitchfork said:
This, I can't wait to get back to a government who doesn't constantly **** me in the ass with their selfish and to be honest, poor running of this country.

Although I disagree with some of the stuff she voted for, I agree, to an extent with a fair amount. I don't think, however, judging based on her decisions she would make a great equality minister.
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Yes, lets get the two bumbling Ed's back in the hot seat....
 
Woden said:
Then the Tories will get in and cut education spending (while whining about schools not doing well enough) and cut policing (while whining about crime rates) and cut health spending and complain about waiting lists being over-target.

They dont see themselves as governing people, they govern bank balances. Mostly to the advantage of their buddies.
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Question, at what point does our deficit need to get to before the markets get spooked and our bonds go through the roof?

How much spending on education do you think will be happening when bonds hit 10%
 
kitch9 said:
Question, at what point does our deficit need to get to before the markets get spooked and our bonds go through the roof?

How much spending on education do you think will be happening when bonds hit 10%
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It doesn't really matter how much is spent. It's how and what they are being taught.

Are British children 7x more clever than they grand parents?

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nick1988 said:
... and why are they having to cut education, policing and health spending? Is it maybe because we don't (and never did) have the money to fund them to their idealistic levels. Money doesn't grow on trees, so the way Labour were running the country was not sustainable, unfortunately in life you cant always have everything you want which is what Labour tried to provide by overstretching services and support to breaking point and then trying to resolve the issue by throwing money at it. I am afraid it is just not realistic.
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I am not saying Labour are perfect, they are almost as bad as the Tories now. They do spend too much, and in the wrong places. And they have created a benefit culture, which the Tories are at least trying to break down.
The sweeping cuts the Tories are making though are not working. That huge defecit we have will not get any better unless we get more people into employment.
That won't happen if they are too ill thanks to a weak NHS, or too stupid thanks to whats happening to schools. The Tories are being VERY short sighted. Concentrate on keeping the very rich happy, they pay the Tory bills. Just as the next generation start becomming adults and Labour have failed to fix everything the Tories broke, the Tories can come in, blame Labour and be the saviour again. Which is exactly how they got in last time.
 
Woden said:
I am not saying Labour are perfect, they are almost as bad as the Tories now. They do spend too much, and in the wrong places. And they have created a benefit culture, which the Tories are at least trying to break down.
The sweeping cuts the Tories are making though are not working. That huge defecit we have will not get any better unless we get more people into employment.
That won't happen if they are too ill thanks to a weak NHS, or too stupid thanks to whats happening to schools. The Tories are being VERY short sighted. Concentrate on keeping the very rich happy, they pay the Tory bills. Just as the next generation start becomming adults and Labour have failed to fix everything the Tories broke, the Tories can come in, blame Labour and be the saviour again. Which is exactly how they got in last time.
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they are all too short sighted. all they think about is the next election. im talking both sides here.
 
realBabelfish said:
they are all too short sighted. all they think about is the next election. im talking both sides here.
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That I can agree with. And society in general is at fault for that, as we keep voting them in. That said there are no viable alternatives.

The longer we carry on like this the harder it will be on the next generation, the one after that ... etc etc.
 
kitch9 said:
Question, at what point does our deficit need to get to before the markets get spooked and our bonds go through the roof?

How much spending on education do you think will be happening when bonds hit 10%
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I reject the premise of the question, there is no direct link between deficit and and bond yields. If anything is going to spook the markets it's lack of growth in the UK economy.
 
realBabelfish said:
are you saying the opposite doesnt happen when the roles are reversed?

they all act like spoilt children. watching them in the house of commons is like watching loads of ADHD kids after eating too many haribo.
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While on the odd occasion the majority do act like complete ******s in the HoC, that wasn't what I was getting at.

In opposition Labour do nothing but offer criticism derision and often mistruths and importantly lack policy and alternative.

I may dislike and distrust them, at least the Tories do some radical thinking from the side even if I find most of it abhorent. That they should have credit for, even if they are for ever destined to be completely inadequate to act it out.

Labour just fumble about acting like Tories while pretending not to be, then spend all their time scaring people about Tories when they are out in the political wilderness...

More capital spend, yeah sure build a party on that? All this 'stop privitisation' Labour mantra is pish, look at what they are doing in Glasgow City Council now since they were elected on a manifesto of stopping such acts. They have apparently renegaded and accelerated on them according to the Unions that supported them. They fail repeatedly to act in national interest as opposed to party interests a lot more in my opinion than other political parties.

Everyone knows what a Tory is regardless of the 'hug a hoodie', big society style pathetic spin in the current incarnation, some people are still fed make believe about Labour being socialist and that's what that party plays, heavily at grass roots. Both lie, it's just some lie harder.

At least the Tories still shout the same anti-social crap from the 60/70's etc, when did Labour last declare themself socialist?
 
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This thread fails because it does not address the reason for the voting record. much legislation passed or proposed in the last 15 year's has been so badly written or with so many different ideas crammed into a single bill that simply listing headlines of the bills voted against doesn't really tell you much, and that is without getting into the partisian opposition idea where the opposition blindly votes against every bill proposed by the government.

voting against the bill does not always mean you are against the ideas hidden within it.
 
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