Paleo / Ketosis diet - anyone else tried it?

completely agree ice - by avoiding high gi carbs and processed/refined carbs you're already well on your way :)

Personally I don't bother going nuts about it - but I'm fairly good at working out how my body responds to foods.
 
Same here, I enjoy food too much to limit the good stuff. Even if I do a 30 days of paleo, I'll almost certainly reintroduce things afterwards.
 
Trouble with Paleo for me is the elimination of dairy, raw cheese and butter are 2 of the healthiest foods available to us imo and are very important to me personally as I prefer to stick to a Keto style diet, not that I measure ketones or anything, I just lay off starches/sugars/grains and most fruits other than avocado, berries, but I eat plenty of fibrous veg/salad which may provide enough carbs to keep me out of Ketosis, not sure tbh.

Paleo style diets are good though imo, especially if you are someone who is just looking to clean up their diet and get off processed/refined foods.

It's not really about Paleo/keto/Southbeach or whatever else, the main thing is to stop eating processed/refined junk food especially refined sugars/grains, if a Paleo diet can do that for you then go for it.

Some butter and unp'd cheese would compliment the diet though, I couldn't careless that cavemen didn't eat it!:p
 
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Re: Monkee / Nexus / Freefaller

That was worst case ... I obviously didnt mention soup, cereal and normal foods.

FYI 3 years ago I did a strict health regime with no take aways, watched fat and salt intake along with cutting a bit of cals each day too and went mental at the gym.

This time around Im not feeling hungry, lost more weight quicker and actually feel good all round.

Have a listen to the 2 podcasts I mention at the top of the post. I think its down to dropping grains and carbs, the excercise Im getting just now (30 mins CV at the gym 3 times a week) is super lightweight compared to before but benefits are far greater.
 
Soup (when bought) is also rammed with sugars or cream, cereal is processed sugary ****, "normal foods", well, whatever they are. I'm seeing you eat a lot more carbs then you originally claimed to.... Which makes me think - and this isn't a dig - you don't know too much about the foods you're eating. In fact, even in regards to your exercise routine, you don't seem to have a great understanding of what you're achieving.

Yes you'll lose weight doing a cardio-only workout, but you're just going to end up a smaller and slightly leaner version of yourself. Resistance training (ie free weights) will help you maintain your muscle mass whilst cutting down excess body fat.

As I said, carbs are great and important, and I've got no doubts that you could be making better progress with a more thought out diet. Hell, the transformation I've made in the last 3 months or so has been fantastic considering I was shocked at how many carbs I was being told to eat to start with. But it's WHAT carbs - brown rice, sweet potato and oats are all carbs which aren't processed, won't cause you to bloat or retain shed loads of water and give you a nice slow and steady release of energy whilst being digested.

I'm not disagreeing you're making progress. I just disagree that it's the best or even most efficient way :)
 
3 years ago I was mainly listening to worldly advice, cut calories and watch junk foods plus go mental at the gym.

This time around Im looking more into things.

I am doing free weights too, just didnt post my entire daily diary or foods and gym routine LOL.

Having listened to the podcasts, read the Rob Wolf book and various other things over the past 3 weeks plus my own well being and state of health Id say that VLC is working for me and being in ketosis is a way of living Im pretty happy with at the moment so as long as I see benefits Ill keep doing it.

There is a difference between strict paleo and what Im doing, on the former you lower your carbs but almost completely cut out dairy, grain and processed sugars. I'm using lactose free milk (not a lot, just a touch in tea) and cheese every other day - mainly due to low or no carbs but decent fat content.

Results speak for themselves and Im more alert, dont have highs and lows, am dropping weight and feeling better all round - even in the gym Im not getting as tired and fatigued anywhere near as much as before and recovery is far better.

Everyones different and most people would say that at bang on 12 stone for a 5'10 guy I wasnt generally fat or unfit but I felt changes were needed :)
 
People asking for a link - it's NI only I'm afraid :) They're on Facebook as "The Feed Me Company" - not sure if their website is up as they're a fairly new venture
 
Thanks Freefaller, it's nice to be agreed with occasionally!:)

I think we can all agree that heavy food refining is definitely something that is done more for commercial gain than for improvement of food for the benefit of human health, imo refined/processed foods have created a lot of unnecessary ill health and suffering in populations throughout relatively recent history.

Diabetes, heart disease and even cancer have all been linked to diet, many disagree that diet is involved in degenerative disease but statistics show an increase in the big 3 since the advent of modern food processing.

If only we could use the amazing things we've learnt with modern medicine in conjunction with cleaner more traditional diets, I'm convinced that if we did, degenerative disease could be massively reduced.

Too much bitching and arguing goes on imo between institutions such as the food industry, health and Pharmaceutical industry, alternative medical fields, nutritionists and nutritional/supplement companies. People get fed so much false information from all of these areas, obviously a lot of good info/advice comes through too but sorting the good from the bad can be virtually impossible for people, let's face it not everyone has the time or inclination to research and obsess over health/diet like we do.

There's way too much false advertising from food companies/nutritional supplement companies etc, it still amazes me the claims they are allowed to make about their products. Supermarket aisles full of junk breakfast cereals for instance with all sorts of dubious health benefits daubed all over the pretty, eye catching packaging, for the most part they're just a load of sugar and additives!

Anyway, I'm off for a lie down!:o:p
 
Again well said.

It's so cheap to manufacture and mass produce cheap carb heavy, processed foods - if they stopped focussing on that and provided more fresh produce we'd all be in a healthier place. Also, as much as it pains me to admit it, I'd be happy to reduce importing of foods if they have to be modified/preserved/processed so that they will keep until their final destination.

There's just no need for so much processed foods - however, the industry would buckle as it's so easy to make a killing from manufacturing cheap goods;.

There is so much false info out there, and the big research companies pharmaceutical and nutrition to name but two make a killing from their skewed information. However, it's easier to sell a wonder drug that abates the symptoms, rather than convincing someone to change their lifestyle.

It's a sad but true reflection of modern western diets.
 
Just looking at the above, what is a good suitable breakfast with not much sugar?
I don't mind musili but end up adding lots of raisons and the like. The rest of my diet is fairly clean after breakfast.
 
No sugar breaky would be something like bacon, eggs, mushrooms, cheese etc.

Re: porridge - "porridge oats are what are know as a Low Glycaemic Carbohydrate, meaning that it enters the bloodstream and is converted into sugar quite rapidly"

So could be said its sugar too.
 
Faster than bacon sure but not exactly rapid - it's not like a high GI food (e.g. most breakfast cereals). The way that reads makes it sound like low GI is bad.

Tesco do a little instant porridge pot that doesn't have much sugar in (some, but not loads). Handy for eating at work, or you could do some scrambled eggs with some salmon trimmings mixed through. Best fresh but you could do night before and warm up at work.
 
No porridge is low gi Rikki, it's still a carb but it's a slow release carb not high gi like you describe.

Tele you could add some whey to it or some almonds. If you wanted natural stuff with no sugar you can use cinnamon which actually turns to cinulin which helps keep the insulin spike lower.
 
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I've always wondered about oats being low Gi. Every diabetic I talk with has really fast peak blood sugars with oats. I know you guys don't have diabetes but having diabetes doesn't change how fast things are absorbed. I'm sure the insulin clamp testing is more accurate but do wonder why it is so different.
 
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