Paris homes get 2.5Gb Net connection

[Christo]

This simply wont happen in the UK probably for another 10 years - we need some government backing.

Paris homes get 2.5Gb net connections

Most of us in the UK (and US) think that 8Mb broadband is fast and that 24Mb, now starting to roll our over Europe, is super-awesome. Now behold - 2.5Gb downstream and 1.2Gbps upstream for just €70 (£48/$89) a month with free installation.

Catch is that you have to be in one of 6 districts in Paris, the city of love - which seems to love broadband.

Although this is a trial to just 100 homes the system, which uses optical fibre, will not just be for internet access but for digital TV and telephone too. This still leaves a lot of bandwidth for your internet access. If the full 2.5Gbps was dedicated to internet access it would be 2.5 times faster than Hong Kong's 1Gbps home internet service. France Telecom has laid down 100km of cable for this trial which is not a small sum to pay.

The cost is a major reason why many phone operators are reluctant to lay down fibre and banish copper forever.

The bottleneck then becomes your home network and computer hardware, since not many users currently have their homes wired up with gigabit ethernet kit.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/07/27/paris_homes_get_2_5_gb_net_connections/

 

[Violent-J]

Cool, I'd just buy about 20 servers and set them up in my garage and sell dedicated servers, I could offer fully managed co-location services also

 

[bigredshark]

Well fine, but what do you do with it? and the bottleneck will be the ISP, most ISPs, even the very big ones don't have any backbone connections faster than 10gb/s so this is a huge bottleneck.

also, government backing how? paying for it? I think not and even if they would it's a bad idea for them to. What it comes down to is lack of demand, there's no need for the service until iptv takes off in a big way.

Also BT are talking about fibre to the cabinet, probably a more economically sensible solution.

 

[hybrid]

lol would what the fair useage policy is over there

2GB Monthly allowence prolly lol

 

[tolien]

BT's biggest problem is that after spending 10 figures running fibre everywhere, Ofcom would want them to let everyone and their dog use it for £1.

Edit: ADSLguide has an article on the subject too.

 

[Christo]

Well fine, but what do you do with it? and the bottleneck will be the ISP, most ISPs, even the very big ones don't have any backbone connections faster than 10gb/s so this is a huge bottleneck.

also, government backing how? paying for it? I think not and even if they would it's a bad idea for them to. What it comes down to is lack of demand, there's no need for the service until iptv takes off in a big way.

Also BT are talking about fibre to the cabinet, probably a more economically sensible solution.

Probably, in France they have a better backbone network allowing for this?

No government backing until IPTV gets popular? Thats a bit of a short termist view, we WILL need optical fibre networks in the future and with government backing would help speed up this transition. BT are talking about fibre to the cabinet - knowing them it will take a decade to install, the UK is just so far behind on connection speeds.

 

[Dave2150]

Also BT are talking about fibre to the cabinet, probably a more economically sensible solution.

BT are talking about rollout out FTTK? Of course they are! They are talking about FTTH too, and god knows what ekse.

They will not roll it out though, for many years to come, as its too expensive and OFCOM would decide that everyone can rent out the new network for peanuts.

Whats very strange about UK broadband is that OFCOM seem to want to encourage competition - so much so that all its achieving is a price war, leading to less bandwidth available (as your paying your ISP's less per month), no investment in the network etc.

 

[bingham67]

Probably, in France they have a better backbone network allowing for this?

No government backing until IPTV gets popular? Thats a bit of a short termist view, we WILL need optical fibre networks in the future and with government backing would help speed up this transition. BT are talking about fibre to the cabinet - knowing them it will take a decade to install, the UK is just so far behind on connection speeds.

Totally agree goverment backing is the only way we can progress clearly BT dont have the funds to put it everywhere.

 

[bigredshark]

Probably, in France they have a better backbone network allowing for this?

No government backing until IPTV gets popular? Thats a bit of a short termist view, we WILL need optical fibre networks in the future and with government backing would help speed up this transition. BT are talking about fibre to the cabinet - knowing them it will take a decade to install, the UK is just so far behind on connection speeds.

The UKs backbone (in london for all intensive purposes) is among the best in the world. The simple fact is that there isn't a common standard faster than 10GB Ethernet right now so they don't have a better backbone. They could aggregate multiple OC12 (655mbps) ATM connections but it'd still be difficult to provide an appropriate backbone. In answer, no, france does not have a better backbone.

We will not need fibre to the home for years yet, to the cabinet makes sense and their are trials right now but to the home is unnecessary, 1Gb home connection offers nothing but bragging rights for years to come.

I don't think the government should EVER finance such a project, one of the reasons the industry is successful is that it's private. Also, how would the government do it, they can't subsidize BT really, they're a private company and the competition would scream about it.

Fibre to the home will come when there's a market for it, until then it's not economical so nobody does it, it's simply market forces. Yes, it will take a long time to role out, installing thousands of miles of fibre takes time, particularly when the UKs internet infrastructure is entirely london based (there are exceptions, IFL in manchester for example but they're really a joke)

 

[Vai]

I would prefer if they could get 8mb's performance reliable first. Being on 8mb and having speeds range from 100-700kb/s is pretty bad.

 

[wod_uk]

yes improving the current broadband so at least everyone has access to the fastest they can get would be best at the moment

 

[Deleted member 58846]

Iv'e been told by a BT insider that BT havealready started upgrading the exchanges to handle the new 16MB ADSL, This change will be around 9 months time. This is also known as LLU. Bt have quoted that 75% of the UK will be able to get LLU. Can't wait.

 

[tolien]

This is also known as LLU.

No it isn't. LLU is the process of someone who isn't BT sticking their kit in the exchange, like Bulldog/UKOnline/Carphone Warehouse/Easynet(Sky), and they're already offering ADSL2+.

Coverage will depend on the individual providers, so it's not for BT to quote 75% availability.

 

[realscot]

i've gotta laugh when I see people moaning about only getting 100k/sec out of their 8MB broadband. At my parents house they can't even get broadband!! infact the phone lines, exchange, is so bad that even with dialup they can only connect at 19200bps.. and after many visits from BT, what have they done? Nothing, they couldn't care less!!
They used to have broadband for almost a year, it was the 512k package. and it did work, sometimes, but it used to suffer from constant random disconnects.
Had one broadband engineer out and he just shrugged his shoulders and said the line noise was too high and there was nothing he could do about it.. i mentioned to him that it was working if not all that well before, so there must be a fault. He simply told me to contact my ISP and terminate my Broadband contract.
So you can imagine what I think of BT.
I don't know exactly the distance from the phone exchange i just know no-one in the village can get broadband.
We're just 40 miles north of aberdeen so it's hardly the remote highlands!!
The towns round about both have stable 8MB broadband connections, and the villages close to them all have between 8MB and 2MB.

Anyone know if there's anything I can do to make BT get their finger out?

 

[bigredshark]

i've gotta laugh when I see people moaning about only getting 100k/sec out of their 8MB broadband. At my parents house they can't even get broadband!! infact the phone lines, exchange, is so bad that even with dialup they can only connect at 19200bps.. and after many visits from BT, what have they done? Nothing, they couldn't care less!!
They used to have broadband for almost a year, it was the 512k package. and it did work, sometimes, but it used to suffer from constant random disconnects.
Had one broadband engineer out and he just shrugged his shoulders and said the line noise was too high and there was nothing he could do about it.. i mentioned to him that it was working if not all that well before, so there must be a fault. He simply told me to contact my ISP and terminate my Broadband contract.
So you can imagine what I think of BT.
I don't know exactly the distance from the phone exchange i just know no-one in the village can get broadband.
We're just 40 miles north of aberdeen so it's hardly the remote highlands!!
The towns round about both have stable 8MB broadband connections, and the villages close to them all have between 8MB and 2MB.

Anyone know if there's anything I can do to make BT get their finger out?

Nothing at all you can do. To be fair BT were spot on, their not going to upgrade your line back to the exchange for you (though your ISP might talk them into it if you have a really good ISP and a good relationship with them - if it's just a consumer ISP like pipex, demon or whoever and you're just a customer forget it though)

in the end, you don't have a right to broadband in this country.

only thing you could try is ordering ISDN (which will almost certainly involve a line upgrade) and then cancelling it, expensive though

 

[Magsy]

Everything is too cheap these days in the world of internet connections. I'm not old but I'm sure people don't remember the £400 a quarter phone bills and constantly engaged phone (or second line rental) £20 a month, or even £30 is peanuts.

The ISPs need to stop cutting each others throat, put the price for ADSL Max at a decent level, invest in their own networks and provide us with the service they are advertising now. Once that is sorted they can move on to bigger things.