Soldato
ill play with anyone on pc lol. ill beat 95 percent of you aswell
well if you're willing to use hacks....
Pc gaming comes to consoles?
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well if you're willing to use hacks....
I'm not saying that no pad player isn't ever going to beat a M+K player, map knowledge, tactics and a lot of other matters come into it, but when you consider just input method vs input method. M+K are going to come out on top in the majority of cases.
Don't just take my word for it though.
http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/console-gamers-get-killed-against-pc.html
That post is just unsubstantiated rumour. Plus the article is dated July last year - this urban legend about a study of xbox vs M+K players is a lot older than that (and as someone else mentioned console auto-aim, this tale has been around since before that became standard - so even if it was true once, it might not be now.).
I'd like to believe it's true, really I would, since I'm a M+K player and I'm crap with a gamepad. But I have never seen any substantiation for it.
I can't help feeling that it's a story that is believed because it plays into pre-existing prejudices of PC users like myself, that M+K must be superior because it's what we are used to and good at.
Precisely these adaptors are hardware hacks of licensed controllers.
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I've been following this thread and I'd just like to make another comparison which I don't think has been mentioned.
The way these K+M controllers work is by mimicing the analogue sticks on the 360 pads for looking and movement right? This allows you to move quicker and with more accuracy (supposedly). I'm not 100% sure if the faster movement would be caused by upping the analogue speed in the game settings and then using the mouse to have a more refined control instead of the (clumsy) sticks or if the nature of the K+B event sending mechanism would speed up the movement natrually.
If it's point 1 and you speed up the reaction time in game then it would just be down to pure skill on either the K+M or pad, however I personally feel that K+M is a much more natrual way to move around a screen, being brought up on a PC but this a very biased opinion. If it's point 2 where by the use of the M+K imitating the pad and speeding up the movement of you on the screen (increasing the frequency of which is sends events for example) then would it just not be reminicent of the turbo buttons on 3rd party pads?
tl;dr - This is very similar to using a turbo button, not officially supported but available. For all those who say you could just buy a keyboard mouse, everyone could just buy a pad with a turbo button, so that would also not be cheating, right
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I played a lot of Halo 3 (http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/careerstats.aspx?player=LegendaryDread) and one thing you really appreciate after a while is auto-aim on a controller.
For anyone arguing that controller is equal to or better than KB+M:
Halo 3: Load up a Custom Game or Forge, have everyone join the same team with friendly fire on. Then try to kill eachother. It's near impossible - there's a reason auto-aim is in the game.
Lost Planet Colonies or Shadowrun - PC version: These games are cross-platform, using GFWL. There's hardly anyone playing on PC on either of them, so it's you versus the 360 players - they have auto-aim. Word of warning: the 360 players will quite literally scream at you until you leave the lobby/game if you mention you're on PC.
I can see Microsoft attempting to ban this peripheral via a firmware update or similar; they stopped doing cross-platform for a reason.
For anyone arguing that controller is equal to or better than KB+M:
Halo 3: Load up a Custom Game or Forge, have everyone join the same team with friendly fire on. Then try to kill eachother. It's near impossible - there's a reason auto-aim is in the game.
Lost Planet Colonies or Shadowrun - PC version: These games are cross-platform, using GFWL. There's hardly anyone playing on PC on either of them, so it's you versus the 360 players - they have auto-aim. Word of warning: the 360 players will quite literally scream at you until you leave the lobby/game if you mention you're on PC.
I can see Microsoft attempting to ban this peripheral via a firmware update or similar; they stopped doing cross-platform for a reason.
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Well the only "proof" I have is from the dreamcast. That had full support for kb+mouse, and it really did feel like cheating when you played online.
lol you are a low with that
dont imply i hack ! i havent hacked nor wish to . gaming is a very big part of my life so please dont use comments like that unless you either have proof in tarring my image . shut up.its a debate about consoles with different control methods other than joypad and you bring hacking into it . yes hacking could be used with said item but that doesnt mean i or everyone else in the entire world will just cause you may have the ability to use a keyboard to go left right and jump.
gotta love some lowbirds man when crappola like this comes up. makes you proud to be a ocuk member
debate the article and not fiction.
I fail to see how using this keyboard and mouse Gadjet can be construed as Hacking.
I'm just not convinced. You use a Hack to cheat thats the primary reason yet this keyboard and mouse thing is for controlling your character so I dont see no intent to cheat by merely employing such a device.
Maybe they will have keyboard and mouse only servers if it gets popular ?
I'm just not convinced. You use a Hack to cheat thats the primary reason yet this keyboard and mouse thing is for controlling your character so I dont see no intent to cheat by merely employing such a device.
Maybe they will have keyboard and mouse only servers if it gets popular ?
Soldato
Not a dig at you, but if you honestly believe aiming with a joypad comes even close then....
Find a friend who reckons he is a gaming god with a joypad ...someone who tops the scoreboard in fps games often.
Tell him to join a decent counter strike source server and play with the joypad.
Then you will
Witness humiliation like you have never seen before.
Watch he who once swore by the 360 pad get battered so bad he forgets which button does what.
Watch as this once gaming god moves like a diseased 3 legged cow.
Never see him mention pc gaming ever again.
Soldato
lol you are a low with that
i was aiming where it hurts
btw i used the word willing as in you don't cheat but are willing to...........the device is a hack.
you could just be the better man and not take the easy kills.
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i havent got one yet and wouldnt cheat anyway if i did get one even though some would class it as cheating.
im just so used to keyboard fps gaming i cant get the hang of a pad or want to get the hang of a pad when i know the keyboard+ mouse is better.
anyway back on with debate just leave the lowblows out pls
im just so used to keyboard fps gaming i cant get the hang of a pad or want to get the hang of a pad when i know the keyboard+ mouse is better.
anyway back on with debate just leave the lowblows out pls
Why would they do that? If they wanted you to actually PLAY with a keyboard/mouse they'd get you to buy a pc. At least, MS would, Sony could do it that way but why would they split the playerbase and cause themselves more work? Not to mention people would start trying to glitch it onto the controller side for the advantage. Better to lock it down completely.
Soldato
They did this on UT3 on the PS3, and it failed miserably unfortunately.
It just ended up splitting the player base in two, which resulted in not enough players to keep either set of servers populated.
I can only see split servers working for the most popular games, your CODs, Halos etc.
I know plenty of people (myself included) that have gone from years of PC FPS since Quake that have gone on to learn to use a pad fine. Everyone struggles at first, but you stick with it and learn pretty quick.
Why would you want to use a pad when a keyboard and mouse is better? Because that's the peripheral chosen by the console manufacturers and game developers.
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