Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by BowdonUK, Jun 2, 2019.
Hardly, because this election wasn't solely about brexit, otherwise it should have won hands down.
2%...which always seems to be described as an overwhelming majority when Brexiteers talk about the ref result
Anyway, for exactness, they are a company, no? Not even a political party....and they don't even have any official policies to garner a political stance about.
And you know you are being completely disingenuous when you cite the 'only existed for 8 weeks' mantra. This is purely amd simply about Farage and his followers, he has his cult base from UKIP already who just moved over and swapped the colour of the box they tick since they just blindly follow what he does, he could put a sack of potatoes up for election and the drones would still vote for it.
We already talked about that, the BXP party double the number of votes over previous UKIP results, so it's much more than the 'cult base' moving over
Did I say they were "all" of the support, or just the base of it? Of course he's picked up (mainly) Tory voters to add to the numbers currently as we have all already spoken about, and that's just because Brexit hasn't happened.
The point I was making is that this isn't some unknown fresh startup that no-one knows heading it suddenly getting such results in their first elections. It's a populist figure with an already established base picking off other voters with a "single policy party" (I'll put that in "" since they aren't a party and don't have any policies) which did well in the EU elections, but as we said, doesn't translate so well to National elections.
So have your back
Yep, some awkward questions about anti-semitism and Brexit fence sitting. Dan Carden, Labour's 'sacrificial lamb' offered up for the BBC's in-studio analysis fared little better under Andrew Neil's relentless questioning, refusing to be knocked off the fence or express an opinion on pretty much any issue. And yet Labour still held onto the seat.
This probably says more about the Brexit Party's loss of momentum due to a lack of actual policies if they cannot beat a Labour Party with an outgoing disgraced MP, an incoming MP already having to answer accusations of anti-semitism and in a seat that voted 61% leave in 2016.
That could be consider an improvement.
Hardly - in a formerly ardent Leave area where 60% voted to Leave, a core 30% frothers still want kamikaze Brexit, 20% want Brexit fudge, and 50% voted for Remain parties. Extrapolate that 10pt swing to remain across the country and it tallies with all the other polls showing we are a Remain nation.
That's to ignore that many of the 30% forthers claim Brexit fudge is "BRINO" and "not really Brexit" and many the 20% of Brexit-fudgers would rather Remain than go for bat****-crazy Brexit. It's disingenuous to pool these two groups of voters for whom the other group is anathema.
I did notice that as predicted you skipped over the Lib Dem failure in that election
Lol. I didn't see a prediction, but I'm happy to talk about the LibDems. Quadrupling their vote share. 1 of 3 parties standing on a ref/Revoke platform out of the 4 main "full-manifesto" parties.
Not sure what you were expecting from the vote really. 3 relatively moderate parties jostle for vote share in the centre ground while a novelty party enjoys a wave of support from people happy to vote in the dark.
Brexit isn't the only political issue, even if it is the major one. Plenty of P'borough residents interviewed after said they voted on local issues and the place has always been a Tory/Labour marginal, the LD's were never going to challenge at the top in that election.
That's the problem with the single issue "Brexit party', they are relevant in EU elections, less so in National ones, where local issues matter to people.
And if the Tories manage to agree to Leave with a deal before the next GE (which will have to be a form of the current WA) then the BXP become immediately irrelevant again.
Not so; the BXP will then be angling to break the WA "because it is a shackle tying us to the EU". They only become irrelevant if we exit with no deal, which is why the Tory Brexiteers are angling towards that now.
However, even with the WA, Farage becomes unemployable; he tried to slime his way into the Trump camp and got laughed out and has failed 7 tiems to be an mp….
Any form of Brexit requires a GE that returns a clear majority government (or pro leave coalition) imo.
The current parliament will not back the current WA, the EU will not offer a revised WA and parliament would rather hit the red button than see no-deal.
Interesting result, Labour effectively handed a seat by the BXP due to their splitting of the right wing vote.
This tallies up with my point the other month about the danger (to the Tories) of the BXP splitting the right wing vote in a general election (like UKRP did to them in 1997) and costing them seats. It will be quite comical if Nigel Farage is responsible for gifting Jeremy Corbin a landslide GE victory and a mandate to hold a second referendum (even funnier if that's his actual master plan to get out of the mess he's made for himself and the country)
For all Farages bluster that looks likely to be the end effect of his far right campaigning, he has simply moved the conservatives much further right while splitting their increasingly dropping vote. This is a gift to the other parties.
Looks like she's barely in office and Labour already wants to eat one of their own!
The same Frank Field who point blank refused to stand down for a by election after he walked out on Labour?
It's interesting how both the main parties having internal conflicts about their own MP's.
In certain areas of the country this anti-semitism row isn't a big issue. In some cases would be vote winning. This is why Corbyn ultimately won't come out and properly condemn it, because he's already stated his opinions in the past.
Unless a leadership contest was restricted to only labour MP's voting, then if its left to the members Corbyn would probably be voted in again. This is Labour now. Demographics of the members have changed, and so have their international views.
The EU will offer a revised WA if we change our red lines they have said this several times . The ones Theresa May imposed on us with no consultation or public input, they weren’t even in the Tory manifesto at the general election she botched probably because they would have cost her the moderate Tory vote.
Would they really though? Remember they’ve disbanded the Brexit committee.
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