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petrol stations chaos

Discussion in 'Motors' started by watercooledman, 24 Sep 2021.

  1. Trifid

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 18 Feb 2006

    Posts: 8,668

    The best way to get driving to be enjoyable again is to get people out of cars for unnecessary journeys and onto trains, buses and bikes. Unfortunately the idea that people shouldn't use their car how they want isn't very popular. So people sit in traffic.

    I can see why small independents may think so out of lack of understanding, but would have thought the big retailers would just mix them and keep their delivery schedules current. I can also see why the big retailers would use this as a excuse to to enable them to hire drivers from overseas.
     
  2. ianh

    Soldato

    Joined: 12 Jul 2007

    Posts: 6,232

    Location: Norfolk.

    Yeap, I'd say about 90% of the country isn't having any real fuel issues after the initial week of panic buying, it's just the SE still badly effected and thats down to population density and the density of the people there :p

    However, due to the "London is the centre of the known Universe" feeling shown by so many who live there (and close by), we're still getting lots of media reports that "the UK has a fuel problem" when thats absolutely not true for what I'd guess is 90% of the UK, well it sells papers I suppose.
     
  3. Rroff

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 13 Oct 2006

    Posts: 78,364

    South coast and about 30 miles inland from that is still pretty hit and miss. Starting to see actual supply issues for diesel now though mostly seems to be a mixture of lower supplies, probably due to London pulling away a certain amount, and garages for some reason purposefully turning off diesel at certain times of day.

    Everywhere I went past yesterday had petrol and no queues.
     
  4. Jez

    Caporegime

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

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    Not far south east but touching wood Oxfordshire and Berkshire seem finally back to normal bar some recent price increases (seeing 15x more and more, although ASDA in Reading was still at 135). The odd pump with bags over the handles, but no issues getting diesel around here now.
     
  5. Housey

    Man of Honour

    Joined: 21 Feb 2006

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    All seemed normal today. Popped into my normal Shell station in Lichfield and only 1 pump off, 1 with a car filling up and all 4 flavours available from the 6 other pumps.
     
  6. Greebo

    Caporegime

    Joined: 20 Jan 2005

    Posts: 41,595

    Location: Co Durham

    its the price though which now might stick. We get one to two tankers loads per week at work for our bunkered tanks and desiel when uo from £1.06 to £1.13 in one week,
     
  7. visibleman

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 3 Jun 2005

    Posts: 1,901

    Location: The South

    That the one at Souldrop?

    Struggling with vPower further down (and around) the A6; had to use peasant supermarket unleaded the other day :(
     
  8. rG-tom

    Sgarrista

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    Location: North Beds

    yeah that's the one
     
  9. Nasher

    Capodecina

    Joined: 22 Nov 2006

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    Not sure. I'm finding people are just avoiding the more expensive ones now, so they will have to drop. The ones off the main roads are like 10-12p cheaper and that's where all the locals are going.
     
  10. Jez

    Caporegime

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 32,998

    Not now that its becoming available again? Despite them all being open again, i still went out of my way to the dodgy ASDA nearish to the office :p Prices will need to slide back to where they meet demand.
     
  11. MagicBoy

    Capodecina

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

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    Location: South Manchester

    No problems here, been fine for 10+ days. Supermarkets are charging the standard price for E10. No queue, all grades available. All pumps open. Local Esso is still taking the michael at 143.9p though.
     
  12. jpaul

    Capodecina

    Joined: 1 Mar 2010

    Posts: 15,538

    Shortage of gritter drivers and bin lorry drivers, who are leaving to move up the HGV wage scale -
    the petrol and supermarket shortages could become irrelevant, as we shiver in our homes.

    - still no updated press release from petrol resellers association ?
     
  13. AWPC

    Capodecina

    Joined: 8 Dec 2005

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    Far from it we need more petrol based cars on the roads & we need way less or ZERO bikes they are a public nuisance and need to pay their fair share to even use the roads in future as well as sensible insurance cover & following the same basic rules as other road users. Good job I am not ever likely to be a public minister in charge of roads as I would ban the lot overnight! Not joking either.
     
  14. AWPC

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    They are part of the problem though clearly they misjudged the E10 switchover :mad: most of us knew shortages would arrive just not as bad as it has been in the south of the country. Now it seems to be getting worse they need 10 x more fuel flowing into the S.E no mention of army still delivering makes me think they stopped when it seemed to return to normal middle of last week but that short term thinking is the self same which caused some of the problem to begin with!

    Until it returns to normal they want to keep the fuel flowing & over supply not under supply its the only way its going to improve in the southern part of the country where population density is overwhelming & demand far outstrips demand right now!
     
  15. MissChief

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    Hydro works because during the night they pump water back up into the top reservoir using excess energy from Power stations that need to be kept running because they take hours to cycle up and down wo while a Hydro station is a net User of power overall that power is 'wasted' if they don't use it. As you said as well they can open the floodgates and be producing in only a couple of minutes.

    Some Hydro stations use rivers as well, diverting some of the river flow through turbines.
     
  16. AWPC

    Capodecina

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    London and South East shortages continue to frustrate motorists and retailers | Press Releases | PRA (ukpra.co.uk)
    5th Oct was the last release as no mention of improvements you have to assume they have no good news to share..one of the tabloid are reporting a third of all petrol stations in the south are now dry!

    “Attempts by the Government to deal with this fuels crisis, now into its 14th day, have thus far had only limited success in London and the South East. Much more attention on this issue affecting this region is urgently needed”.

    Gordon Balmer, PRA Executive Director
     
  17. MagicBoy

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    Location: South Manchester

    Enough with the conspiracy theory nonsense. We heard and a laughed at your idiotic thinking the first time.
     
  18. Trifid

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    Zero emission cars pay zero tax and cause more damage to the roads then bikes.
    Obesity costs the NHS a fortune and idleness in general is terrible for health
    If you look at your home insurance documents you will find public liability insurance, this will cover you for pedal bike incidents. Alternatively third party cycle cover is so cheap it is often thrown in with cycling clubs as a perk (or Strava)
    I personally find driving so slow around here now that for journeys of <5 miles it is faster to cycle as a result, I often wonder why I too became a fool for going for my car instead of bike.
    It will not be possible to meet the infrastructure needs of cars with the space we have in London and the home counties.
    I personally would refer to live on a road with hundreds of cycles going past my home then cars, wouldn't you?
     
  19. Fourstar

    Wise Guy

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    Location: London

    Where did you get this number? A 33% cycle efficiency is completely wrong.

    This paper lists Dinorwig as having a cycle efficiency of 74-75%.

    It is a rapid 12 seconds from 0-1.3GW output but nothing like instant. For near instant response grid level battery storage is the only game in town.
     
  20. Greebo

    Caporegime

    Joined: 20 Jan 2005

    Posts: 41,595

    Location: Co Durham

    Well all depends on the prices the refineries set. Yes some garages cashed in by upping their margin but if they are lets say buying diesel in for £1.35 per litre they will have to charge more than that for it to make a profit. Before of course they were buying it at £1.27 and wacked their prices up to £1.39 to cash in.

    As of yesterday the average uk fuel pump price for diesel was £141.47 and is still going up everyday. Compared with £1.12 on the 2nd June.

    Wholesale prices from the refinery continues to rise every day as well. There might be a bit of play in forecourt prices but for now these prices are here to stay.

    We are almost at the highest fuel prices for 8 years and I dont think its stopped going up yet.

    https://www.racfoundation.org/data/wholesale-fuel-prices-v-pump-prices-data