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Phenom II X3 710 or Q6600

j.col

j.col

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hi guys i am trying to make my mind up on a cheap upgrade

main use is for gaming

i have a choice of the above processors., i haven't bought a new mobo yet, so can go for either

the q6600 is a b3 sl9um stepping. (i know its not the go version)

also i can get a Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 mobo with the phenom in a deal.

which is better?
 
j.col said:
i tought that, but it was worth checking, thanks easyrider
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No probs

Get P35 or P45 mobo cheap and your good to go. Even a B3 Q6600 will clock to 3ghz and be a nice system still by todays standards.

The Q6600 is like the 8800GTX one of those bits of PC tech that really make a mark for their longevity.
 
j.col said:
also i can get a Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 mobo with the phenom in a deal
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Hey j.col :)

Ohh a deal! . . . . how much you looking at for the AMD® Phenom™ II X3 with the mobo?

If you running heavy Multi-Threaded apps like video-encoding, media rendering etc then the Q6600 with it fours cores is pretty hard to beat but for gaming and single threaded stuff then the Heka pulls ahead! :D

If you overclock the Q6600 to 3.0GHz (9x333) you also clock the PIIX3 to 3.25GHz (13x250) . . . also not forgetting the newer AMD® chip uses an IMC which reduced system latency and makes general usage feel nice and "snappy" . . . you also got the option of dropping in an AMD® Phenom™ II X6 12-18 months down the line! . . .

If you go Q6600 with a decent LGA775 mobo and good cooling to keep that B3 revision cool enough and can clock it to 3.5Ghz ish your ahead . . .

I guess it comes down to cost ££, type of applications you are using, do you want an upgrade path and how much you want to fiddle with OverClocking! :cool:



j.col said:
which is better?
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True, the q6600 is a very demanding cpu, good chip though, but gets a lot hotter when overclocked, mine ran hotter than my current i7, tbh im not that experienced with recent amd cpu's, but they do seem to be very efficient, and very well priced.
 
I'm not sure if the AMD® Phenom™ II X3 710 is a black edition chip or not? . . . I was assuming not? :D

How were the B3 revision chips for clocking gurusan? . . . I seem to remember they were a bit power hungry and ran a fair bit hotter than G0 revison?

I'm just taking a peek at this board j.col has been offered in a "deal" . . . AM2+ version . . . doesn't look too shabby! :)


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B3's Wayne were 105w rated quads, GO's were 95w rated, the B3's were a lot harder to clock, though some of the last models were reaching early GO abilitiies, though even at the end of GO production, they became steadily worse clocking chips, often needing pretty high voltage for a mild 3.4ghz oc.
 
The B3 chips did around 3.2-3.4GHz max with very good cooling. With some better water setups 3.6GHz is possible but really the thing chucks out so much heat.

From a little googling it looks like the MA770-UD3 hits around 270-280 HTT average which would get around 3.5 - 3.6GHz with the X3 710 with most budget aftermarket coolers.

Even if both chips were at 3.4GHz I'd take the AMD.
 
A little nostalgia post here, w3bbo's quad core database, only one B3 in the list, from cob.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10096083&postcount=2

Sadly my 3.8ghz GO q6600 never made the list, feel like a left out child at play time lol.:D

Pretty decent clock though with what were pretty hard cpu's to get high clocks from, i think GO quads made clocking a fair bit easier until the last chips came out.
 
TBH as long as whatever you get is over 3.2GHz or so then you'll be fine. The CPU really isn't so important in gaming these days, it's all about the GPU.

My setup in the UK was an i5 750 @ 4.2GHz with SLI GTX 260s....and now I'm on an i3 540 @ 3.6GHz with a 5850 and I honestly can't tell any difference whatsoever in bad company 2.
 
gurusan said:
TBH as long as whatever you get is over 3.2GHz or so then you'll be fine. The CPU really isn't so important in gaming these days, it's all about the GPU.

My setup in the UK was an i5 750 @ 4.2GHz with SLI GTX 260s....and now I'm on an i3 540 @ 3.6GHz with a 5850 and I honestly can't tell any difference whatsoever in bad company 2.
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Hi Gurusan, see your back in the states mate. A few weeks ago i was running sli gtx 275's at stock on my 4ghz i7, done pretty well, though i bought a single 470 gtx, then added a second cheaply for more sli, bfbc2 at 1920x1200, 8 x aa, 16 x af, max settings, cards are clocked at a very modest 751mhz on stock voltage, i5 i reckon is a slightly faster rig with a single card in new games, i think i still have you listed in my friend list for BFBC2, look forward to trying to kill you in game mate, or help you out.:D
 
Big.Wayne said:
If you running heavy Multi-Threaded apps like video-encoding, media rendering etc then the Q6600 with it fours cores is pretty hard to beat but for gaming and single threaded stuff then the Heka pulls ahead! :D

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It would depends on the game though. The games you shown only Far Cry 2 uses 4 cores, whereas the other older games only uses two, so it's only natural that the Phenom II X3 would deliver higher frame rate, considering it is at a higher clock, and with a faster architecture than Q6600.

But personally I would probably go for the Phenom II X3 myself, as majority of the games CPU usage only need up to 3 cores level for a overclocked CPU, and the Phenom II X3 might unlock the 4th core to become a quad as well. In games with ridiculous odd CPU optimisation such as the Black OPs the Q6600 would probably be better than the Phenom II X3, as the number of cores has greater impact on frame rate than clock speed on that game.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
it's only natural that the Phenom II X3 would deliver higher frame rate, considering it is at a higher clock, and with a faster architecture than Q6600
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Hey Marine . . . I wasn't aware the Deneb (Heka) had a faster architecture than the Kentsfield? . . . if that were true then with both chips clocked at the same speed the AMD® would produce faster results core for core? . . .

If you got some data to demonstrate how the AMD® Deneb/Heka "architecture" is faster than the Intel® Kentsfield I would be interested to see it? :D
 
Big.Wayne said:
Hey Marine . . . I wasn't aware the Deneb (Heka) had a faster architecture than the Kentsfield? . . . if that were true then with both chips clocked at the same speed the AMD® would produce faster results core for core? . . .

If you got some data to demonstrate how the AMD® Deneb/Heka "architecture" is faster than the Intel® Kentsfield I would be interested to see it? :D
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Sorry, I THOUGHT the Phenom II was faster than the Q6600's architecture, but after some rechecking, it seem they are almost totally on par with each other when at the same clock speed :o
 
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