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It's this kind of mindset that is ruining the country, so many people out there doing things simply to anger others and get a reaction instead of focusing on their own life and things that will make a difference. I was quite similar at one point and it took a hell of a lot of introspection to realise all that type of behaviour is really doing is making your own life even more insufferable.
Good post.
 
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What are your top ten?

Drug possession, assisted suicide, obscene publications, possession of "extreme" pornography, prostitution offences, possession of material that could be useful for terrorists (very draconian law), many speeding offences, tv licensing offences, hate speech offences, malicious communication act offences.
 
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Drug possession, assisted suicide, obscene publications, possession of "extreme" pornography, prostitution offences, possession of material that could be useful for terrorists (very draconian law), many speeding offences, tv licensing offences, hate speech offences, malicious communication act offences.
Several of those are clearly not victimless. Your issue is with whether they are valid crimes, not with whether they are victimless.
 
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The world would be a much better place if people stopped taking offence at things, because then people deliberately trying to offend through essentially harmless actions would largely stop doing them.

Surely people learn at about 5 years old that reacting to something only makes childish people do it even more?
 
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Nonsense, under that logic, everyone is a victim. Classic SJW stuff.
Eh? My point is that in terms of victimy crimes you have a criminal and a victim, like the attacker and the attacked. In the case of a victimless crime, such as drug use or speeding there is no victim. The criminal commits the acts but they are not against anyone. If you speed you have not sped against anyone. If you take drugs you have not drugged against anyone. If you speak hate about someone, then they are a victim of your hate speech. There is a second party involved to whom the action happens.

Your issue is whether there is a crime taking place. You can be a victim of something that isn’t a criminal activity.

This is all semantics anyway, but the point is that your list of ten victimless crimes, which you let yourself be goaded into making up on the spot, includes some crimes that are not victimless.
 
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Hate laws criminalise people for merely using racial slurs on facebook, and that is victimless, they don't simply apply to speech directed towards an individual "victim".

And yes you're right it is semantics. The point I was making is that we have many victimless crimes which you also seem to agree with.
 
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Hate laws criminalise people for merely using racial slurs on facebook, and that is victimless, they don't simply apply to speech directed towards an individual "victim".

And yes you're right it is semantics. The point I was making is that we have many victimless crimes which you also seem to agree with.
I do agree, but I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing in all cases, as some victimless crimes can lead to victimed crimes, but that’s an argument for another day.
 
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