Plug-in solar / Balcony solar / DIY solar

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In July, plug-in solar is expected to become legal in the UK and it's quite an interesting topic, so I thought it may be worth having a separate thread about it.

There is already a very useful home solar topic here:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-real-world-recommendations.18946524/page-744
- but people there are mostly focused on full rooftop systems rather than small DIY installations.

There has been a noticeable increase in interest in solar since the start of the year, driven mainly by rising energy prices and general energy security concerns. Prices have also been moving - for example, some suppliers like City Plumbing (one of the few that offers free collection and free or relatively cheap delivery) have increased panel prices quite a bit compared to earlier in the year.
Another factor is that the UK government has finally started moving toward allowing plug-in solar (arguably 5–10 years behind countries like Germany).
In Germany, there are already over two million “Balkonkraftwerk” (balcony solar) installations, with 500K added each year. Some US states have also started legalising plug-in solar (e.g. Utah - 1200W, Colorado - 1920W), while 30 others are discussing it.

City Plumbing already has plug-in-style hardware listed, for example the Hoymiles HIFLOW-800 Microinverter with a UK plug:
https://www.cityplumbing.co.uk/p/ho...k-plug-and-play-cable-wifi-bluetooth/p/298817
Availability is currently aligned with expected regulatory changes. Hoymiles is a well-known brand in Europe and the US and seems to be entering the UK market more actively (both microinverters and larger hybrid systems).

At the moment, one of the more popular plug-in options being discussed is the EcoFlow STREAM Microinverter:
https://uk.ecoflow.com/products/stream-microinverter?variant=51045578735955
It’s marketed as an 800W system (which is in line with typical limits in Europe, but potentially it can be overclocked to 900W or even 1200W). Like most of these systems, it’s designed for simple self-consumption rather than exporting power back to the grid.

When getting a “proper” home solar setup (e.g. 10–20 panels, ~8kW inverter, battery, etc.), the hardware is often only around 30–50% of the total cost once installed by an MCS installer. That can lead to relatively long payback periods.
With plug-in solar, the cost is almost entirely hardware, which changes the economics quite a bit. If panels are well positioned (e.g. south-facing) and you’re using the power during the day (WFH, etc.), smaller systems can potentially pay for themselves much faster (e.g. 18 months) - although this depends heavily on usage and electricity prices.

The system I’ve gone for is (not really plug-in, but hardwired - so more expensive):
  • 2 × EcoFlow Stream microinverters (£91 each)
  • 4 × JA Solar 445W bi-facial panels (from City Plumbing — £255.60 total)
  • 2 × ground mounts ECO-WORTHY (£56.99 total from Amazon)
  • Hager Bidirectional RCBO C Curve (£27)
  • AC breaker, AC cable from the CU to the AC breaker, DC extension cables from the panels to the microinverters (~£100)
In Germany, plug-in solar has gone pretty mainstream - supermarkets like Lidl and Kaufland sell balcony solar kits. Prices can range from very cheap entry-level kits (150W for 90 EUR) to a few hundred euros for larger systems with multiple panels (200 EUR for an 800W on sale). There are already rumours that retailers like Lidl may bring similar kits to the UK once regulations are finalised. 200 quid kit from Lidl - https://archive.is/kH46t .

At the higher end, Enphase Energy is the king of microinverters, they now have products targeting the plug-in market - but usually a little bit more expensive.

Generally, plug-in solar is considered safe - there are now millions of installations across Europe with relatively few issues. The micro-inverters turn off when they detect there is no connection to the grid - which is why it's safe to touch the plug.
That said, there are real risks if done incorrectly:
  • Panels need to be properly secured — in high winds they can become dangerous if mounted badly
  • Electrical loading needs to be considered carefully
For example, if multiple plug-in systems are connected to the same circuit, the breaker may dangerously underestimate the full load. You could end up in a situation where total current in parts of the wiring is higher than expected, even though the breaker doesn’t trip. This is one of the main reasons the UK has been cautious so far, and why limits and guidance will matter.

Overall, plug-in solar looks like a really interesting option - both from financial and from saving the planet perspective - and especially for renters or people who can’t install a full rooftop system.
Curious if anyone else is looking into this or has or is planning a setup.



https://www.reddit.com/r/SolarUK/comments/1s3yqv8/balcony_solar_megathread/




 
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I already have a proper home solar installation but I am interested in this.

Is it literally as simple as buy the kit and plus it in to a spare plug socket and it powers your house?

I wonder if it would cause issues if you already had an existing solar set-up?
 
Very interested in getting something set up once it's all approved. If I can get a couple of panels stuck up on the front of our house we'd do very well as it's pretty much hit by the sun all day.
 
I'm watching this quite closely, as a few hundred quid outlay is certainly a lot more viable than thousands. Floor mounting or Wall mounting will be doable, and potentially even mounting on part of my house (that has single story roof) is something I could probably do.


Is it literally as simple as buy the kit and plus it in to a spare plug socket and it powers your house?
As I understand it yes - it plugs in and dumps power into the ring main - up to 800W which is the proposed "safe" limit. Obviously 800W isn't going to power a whole home, but it will certainly offset some power draw.

I wonder if it would cause issues if you already had an existing solar set-up?
In theory it shouldn't. I might be wrong but "proper" solar feeds in before the fuse box, whereas this feeds in after and synchronises with whatever comes in from the "mains" side. (It has to, so that it cuts off when the mains cuts off, to avoid accidentally backfeeding during an outage)
 
Yeah, I'm interested since I tend to have a ~600w minimum base load, so anything up to that level I'd get the full value out of. And for me, scaffolding is such a mad cost that rooftop is never going to be profitable.
 
Bi-directional RCBO for £20

I am very interested in plug in solar and keep seeing people mentioning bi-directional RCBO's.

The way I would set up my plug in solar is put a couple of panels on my garage roof, which would connect to an inverter in the garage which would plug into a wall socket in the garage. The garage has its own circuit and is connected via armoured cable to the consumer unit.

I have taken a look at my consumer unit and the RCBO labeled garage has no other markings to state whether or not it is bi directional.

My question is, is it necessary to have a bi directional RCBO? If it is then I am going to have to call out an electrician to inspect the consumer unit which will no doubt add hundreds to the cost of plug in solar and kind of defeats the plug and play nature of the project whilst also adding to the pay back period.
 
Very interested in this, I've had a check of my RCDs and MCBs and they appear to be bidirectional so now it's a case of what the advice comes out and get some panels. Would be looking at 4 panels and two inverters with a view of getting a battery at a later stage.
 
Had 10 panels fitted to my south facing roof a couple weeks ago but I can see the use case for this even with an existing setup. In theory, I can attach these to my fence panels that face east or west and benefit from the morning or afternoon sun more.

@SkyTerran I assueme you would be plugging each invertor into a different circuit ring in your house? The legal limit it likely to be 800w which would be 2 panels and 1 inverter (depending on size).
 
This is something I've been following. We rent so installing panels on the roof isn't an option for us.

I'm trying to convince the wife to let me install a panel or two on one of our fences. Even 800W setup would cover our base load during the summer months when the wife and kids are at home.
 
Had 10 panels fitted to my south facing roof a couple weeks ago but I can see the use case for this even with an existing setup. In theory, I can attach these to my fence panels that face east or west and benefit from the morning or afternoon sun more.

@SkyTerran I assueme you would be plugging each invertor into a different circuit ring in your house? The legal limit it likely to be 800w which would be 2 panels and 1 inverter (depending on size).
No, I connected them to the same circuit - via an AC breaker. That should be fine technically, except some very edge cases. The potential issue is let's say I turn on a kettle on - that draws 3.1kw - the breaker sees that and allows it. I turn on a second kettle, the breaker sees 6.2kw load - which is too much and it trips. But let's say I have two microinverters, on the same circuit, producing 800W each. At this point the breaker sees 4.6kw load - which is fine, but some of the wiring is transporting 6.2kw - which may not be safe and if kept for a long time may start a fire.
 
It's something I really like the idea of, being more flexible/less commital than a 'proper' installation. Would people have solutions where they also have a battery of some sort in the loop so that gets charged first then that plugs into the mains so in theory you're less likely to 'waste' power if you were to get the full 800w and the house is empty for example, the battery would then keep feeding once the panels are no longer producing type thing?
 
It's something I really like the idea of, being more flexible/less commital than a 'proper' installation. Would people have solutions where they also have a battery of some sort in the loop so that gets charged first then that plugs into the mains so in theory you're less likely to 'waste' power if you were to get the full 800w and the house is empty for example, the battery would then keep feeding once the panels are no longer producing type thing?
Yep there are already kits available that have a battery e.g.

The issue is the battery is a huge chunk of cost relative to the panels.
 
Yep there are already kits available that have a battery e.g.

The issue is the battery is a huge chunk of cost relative to the panels.
I was wondering more about one of those power bank type things you can get from jackery, anker, ecoflow etc again leaning into the flexibility angle of the whole setup and it might be something you'd want/be able to use elsewhere (temporary power in a shed, going camping etc)
 
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Cheap plug in solar seems at odds with those batteries. In reality you are limited to 800w system, most times you will just cover house load and a little more maybe, certainly not be charging up the battery everyday (yes on some sunny days you will manage it before anyone jumps on me).

IMO either get a proper system or get a very cheap plug in system, dont make the cheap system expensive for very little gain.
 
The battery systems I’ve seen seem to be limited to just being charged from the solar panels. If they could be charged from the mains as well on a cheap overnight tariff then that would work well
 
Also very keen on hearing more about this. We live right next to a cricket club and unfortunately regularly get cricket balls smashing roof tiles, so I've been hesitant about spending thousands on something that might get smashed. If it's a flexible solution where I can chuck it out in the garden or on the shed roof during the day (especially as I WFH) then sounds like it could be a worthwhile investment to me.
 
Put a couple of 475W panels up on my garage roof 3 weeks back with an EcoFlow Micro Inverter plugged into to my garage circuit. Total cost was £340 for the inverter, panels and bracket/frame.

The output is generally about 1/6th of my roof production (17x370W), and a nice supplement. just need to get my trees trimmed back prior to the winter to minimise shading. Contemplating putting a couple of East facing panels on another roof/circuit.
 
I'm not too clued up on solar panels and how you can sell the excess back to the grid, but lets say I've got a couple of plugin panels installed and we are out for the day and don't really use the amount they generate. Can the excess be sold back to the grid? I know it won't be huge amounts.
 
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