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Polarisation between immigrants and natives in USA

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by cleanbluesky, May 1, 2006.

  1. cleanbluesky

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  2. daz

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    It is incredibly interesting how the USA reacts to all of this, especially since of course the vast majority of the population are not "native" at all, and came over from Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century.
     
  3. cleanbluesky

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    They become native as soon as they see themselves that way - just as the 'immigrants' choose that identity as well...
     
  4. Indy11

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    It is a question of enfranchisement. Who gets to participate in the common weal. There also are issues of discrimination against an ethnicity or race also mixed in as far as motivating factors among some of the anti-illegal immigrant camp but not all.

    And there are some misconceptions about the "damage" that the illegals are said to be doing to the general citizenry.
     
  5. Ex-RoNiN

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    The largest immigrant group has historically received the largest number of abuse in the past - the Germans, the Irish, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, and now its the Latino's turn.

    Who knows who'll be next.
     
  6. Stiff_Cookie

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    There is a difference between immagrants who come to the US through legal means and those who run across the border, IMO.

    There is no record of any of the people who come across the border. They dont have a SSN, their finger prints are not on file, they dont have a permanent residence, there is no accountability. When they break a leg while working they have to be treated at a hospital because US doctors cannot refuse medical treatment. So when the immigrant cant pay, and/or decides to run who foots the bill?

    They have no medical insurance through the people they work for so someone has to pay.

    Also, in the early 1900's immagrants went through Ellis Island to process into the US. Why cant both sides do this now?
     
  7. Indy11

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    Ellis Island hasn't been a health inspection clearing house for incomers for quite a while and back in the day, it "worked" because the new arrivals came by ship from Europe, mostly, as far as Ellis Island is concerned. Today, E.I. is a National Park.

    Illiegal immigrants do not always constitute a drain on the public since not all States that border Mexico require all medical facilities to treat anyone who enters.

    But there are two aspects to the problem of illegals and it definitely is a problem: The fact that they are able to come into the US and, even if marginally, find employment that is better than at home. The other is that there are unscrupulous employers who will hire illegals to maintain fatter profit margins by paying less than what the minimum wage laws require.

    What most objectors to the current demonstrations are about feel is that this is not a matter of discriminating against all immigrants but, as Stiff Cookie said, it is about doing a better job of keeping illegals from arriving.

    Problem is, imo, as long as there is a demand for illegal immigrant labor, they will keep coming into the country.