Side passage door is being sorted.
Police.. is this the norm these days?
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Side passage door is being sorted.
Soldato
Interestingly I also went to a job almost identical to this too the other night. Again 4 of us attended within 5-10mins of her calling, reassured her, searched the house, searched the whole loft. she was still a bit spooked so we made sure someone came overto be with her.
My advice: don't blame the individual police officers. Not being able to do real police work frustrates officers more than you can possibly imagine. We/they're stuck doing utter **** spending hours dealing with "omg she keeps giving me evil looks and then she swore at me and pushed me, go around and tell her off". And no, I'm not joking. Most police want yo do the job they're paid to do, but 20% cuts, a government who ****s on them constantly and the Jeremy Kyle gang" who can't take control of their lives has knocked the wind out of a lot of them.
The thing is if the person has nothing to hide then what's the problem?
If the police had knocked on my door telling me that it appeared someone had used my garden to break into the house behind I'd happily let them in so they could have a good look to see if they could find where they had come from.
This is what has bugged me, the fact that when we suggested it could be the people from behind, instead of saying they would look into in and using their common sense to pop round and have a talk with them. They instead came out with - no proof - and that's it, they can't go round.
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Its just as real a crime as any other that is against the law.
Your personal views do not make it a "real" crime or otherwise, the law does.
Don't like the system do something about it, get into a position where you can change it, if enough people agree with you, you will succeed.
So road deaths caused by using phones when people should be concentrating are not real crimes? I bet anyone who has lost someone on the roads to one of the morons who thinks they are gods gift to driving would agree with you its not a real crime
The head of the tennants seemed to get little or not help from the police when reporting the brothel (and it was one), and after a month of seemingly no help or advice at all from the police, he then resorted to contacting my relative directly (who owned the flat in question and had rented it out).
A simple trip to the flats would have given pretty clear circumstantial evidence as the girls could be seen in the windows and men were coming and going. A visit to the flat as a 'punter' would have quickly have shown money changing hands to I suspect.
A single phone call to my relative to ask about the tennant and the goings own would have provided information or at least warned them of it.
Why introduce nonsense such as kicking doors down. I've questioned why they couldn't even:-
- Make a single phone call to the owner (my relative) when the activity was being reported to them by the head of the tennants.
- Why a single police officer couldn't turn up when my relative turned up to his flat to find it had been converted into a brothel. Even the lounge had a bed in it. Bondage gear attached to curtain rails. Piles of DVDs for sale etc etc... The pimp was there with all this material. Might an office not have been interested on who this individual was? And what items were in the flat? Drugs were reported? The property had already been reported to them month(s) before , and now the owners were even asking them to come along. Nope, not interested!
So don't jump to such daft statements as 'kicking down doors' to back up your point, when the police did absolutely nothing for weeks, and indeed even worse, when law abiding individual(s) found themselves in the midst of criminal activity (& damage) to their flat.
Imagine if you came to your property to find it covered in filth and sexual paraphernalia, with strangers in there. You're completely out of your depth, incredibly upset, you phone the police up, and basically they say, go away, deal with it. We can't even spare you one officer to help!
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I remember seeing an advert for a Pet Crocodile recently pretty sure that would stop them
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If your relative had asked the Police to turn up to prevent a breach of the peace they would have done while he lawfully evicted them from the property, assuming he was lawfully evicting them.
What they won't to is get involved in evicting people on the bequest of someone based on their own evidence, prostitution itself is not illegal but a brothel is - you need to have proof and this doesnt happen on the doorstop, how can you prove that when they are being turfed out the tenants were not just fond of some kinky sex?
And why should the Police be chasing after your relative, he needs to report it as he is the victim not this third party who for all the Police know is annoyed with music coming from the address - if he knew this was happening for some time as reported to him then he could be in dodgy waters for not reporting it to the Police.
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It's not normal in my experience, even at the times described. Old lady across the road was broken into a month or so ago and had some jewelry taken, she returned at around 9pm and the police were around by 10pm and went knocking around the immediate houses nearby at that time with just the typical have you seen anything etc.
Maybe it was due to her age (she's about seventy at least I'd say but in fine health/drives a car et cetera), but she also then had someone come around the next day and take her through details of how she could better secure her property.
As for "no proof" my parents house was raided for the production of 'weed' on the basis of a "funny smell" outside, they'd visited the neighbours (which they get on well with) and talked to them, but apparently the police decided that a warrant was required, along seven coppers and a battering ram for my seventy year old parents. This happened to quite a few people, and was put down to 'the wind'.
Maybe it was due to her age (she's about seventy at least I'd say but in fine health/drives a car et cetera), but she also then had someone come around the next day and take her through details of how she could better secure her property.
As for "no proof" my parents house was raided for the production of 'weed' on the basis of a "funny smell" outside, they'd visited the neighbours (which they get on well with) and talked to them, but apparently the police decided that a warrant was required, along seven coppers and a battering ram for my seventy year old parents. This happened to quite a few people, and was put down to 'the wind'.
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Its just as real a crime as any other that is against the law.
Your personal views do not make it a "real" crime or otherwise, the law does.
Don't like the system do something about it, get into a position where you can change it, if enough people agree with you, you will succeed.
So road deaths caused by using phones when people should be concentrating are not real crimes? I bet anyone who has lost someone on the roads to one of the morons who thinks they are gods gift to driving would agree with you its not a real crime
Getting off with someone in public is a "real crime" if your definition is anything that is technically illegal but police don't waste their time arresting people for kissing. If the police enforced every law by the book they'd be arresting people all the time so clearly they do decide which ones to go after and which ones to let slide.
Secondly, there is clearly a scale of severity, not all crimes are equal hence why we have different sentences. Shop lifting is bad, but not as bad as GHB which in turn isn't 'as bad' as murder.
And again, I wasn't referring to ALL incidents of people using their mobile whilst driving, I was specifically referring to the case mentioned whereby the guy in question was stopped at traffic lights hence there was zero danger of him killing anyone.
The spirit of that law is to stop people from diverting their attention from the road whilst travelling at speed but because of the way it's written it allows police officers to issue fines to people who have stopped but just happen to have their engine running. This, IMO is abusing the spirit of that law.
Finally, what about all the people who have died on the road due to people fiddling with their radios, applying make-up, lighting a cigarette, fiddling with their sat navs etc? None of which are illegal by themselves.
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A house break is always treated with higher priority than a theft in garden or burglary other than dwelling - its a more serious crime.
As for your parents - Police had a court sworn warrant, they put the proof they had forward and did it legally - the battering ram is used so that people don't hide/destroy evidence while the Police are knocking at the door asking nicely to come in!
I had an excellent experience with the Police when I was broken into last year. Admittedly it took them a couple hours to turn up as en route they'd had to stop at an accident. But when they did arrive they were helpful, took all the details and chatted with the neighbours. After this I had several visits from CID who kept me in the loop with things, a forensics guy came round and dusted my doors, the police came back with suggestions for security improvements and a couple PCSOs came round a few weeks later to check I was OK. The managed to find my car, didn't find my bike or laptop but apparently made a lot of arrests with a group that could have been involved.
The same old "police prefer to deal with easy stuff like speeders" is so tired and boring. I'm guessing the large majority of this type of complaint is from people who have been ticketed and would rather belittle the police than take responsibility for their actions.
You'd be surprised how few crimes get solved, even murders. Less than 30% of crimes result in a charge, and that's quite good compared to other countries.
You need to figure out a way to take care of yourself because the government doesn't care. Move somewhere safer, lock up your stuff, keep it out of sight, lock your doors, try to look poor, motion activated lights, cctv, dog, strong locks, house alarm, etc.
Although it's not practical to lock up a patio set each night, that's just a ****head move to steal that.
You need to figure out a way to take care of yourself because the government doesn't care. Move somewhere safer, lock up your stuff, keep it out of sight, lock your doors, try to look poor, motion activated lights, cctv, dog, strong locks, house alarm, etc.
Although it's not practical to lock up a patio set each night, that's just a ****head move to steal that.
Yes, but you'd need to know to ask/suggest this when on the phone. My relative unfortunately is not aware of such nuances and had hoped when confronted with an illegal brothel in their property, with countless £1000s of pounds of damage involved, strange individual(s) in the property, along with the suspition of drugs and other suspected illegal material, a single police officer was not to much to expect to attend in response to a plea for them to help.
Alas it was... And to me this seems madness. Why should someone have to know how to 'play the game' (suggest a breach of the peace is possible) in order to get the service.
Furthermore, then when the 'pimp' phoned the police to inform them of a verbal threat (not of physical action) my relative made to him, NINE officers are then available for an arrest.! Not two... Not three... NINE!
Can you see why I'm somewhat cynical? Can you?
The police seem to be getting disconnect from the puplic, and I suspect it's all to do with targets. ie: What helps the figures the best, not what helps the public the best.
Anyway, I've said my piece and don't want to take this thread any further off topic.
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Already said above... buy a DOG!! A big mean dog. No chance anyone would dare risk breaking in with that 
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Already said above... buy a DOG!! A big mean dog. No chance anyone would dare risk breaking in with that
Unless they've got a big piece of raw steak on them, then the dog will happily ignore the intruder and go for the food.
Well that's how they get round guard dogs in films anyway.
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The whole procedure was a bit off honestly I'm aware of why they did what they did, and how and that the courts were required to sign off on the warrant. Parents had seen the day before the police talking to the neighbours (semi-dettached, same age) it was a 'friendly' chat, parents spoke to the neighbours the same day about it, infact, and then the police turned up next day in the afternoon with warrants.
If, my parents were criminal master minds things would have twigged that they needed to get rid quick.
Further contradiction was when they came back to the neighbour they gave the common sense of 'talking to' and took away a sample of one their flowers.
My Mum got a few good stories out of it I suppose, expecting a 'Rory' to be a big sniffer dog, only to see a seven foot odd bloke walk in.
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Aye, in films
I see it you have two options; an electronic security device such as an alarm, or get a dog. Seeing as they are willing to attempt entry when someone is in the house I don't think an alarm is going to be much good, you don't know what these people are prepared to do if they get in and are confronted by the inhabitant.
Dogs are clever and protective of their family. I doubt any intruder would want to risk having their jugular examined by a canine, why would they when they can go to a house without one?
Someone got into my garden not once but twice, First time, they stole my tax disk and front mud guard off my old scooter (cost 100 to replace, I didn't bother). Police sent a PCSO around for a statement and they checked all CCTV (I live on a council estate and we have CCTV. It isn't that bad, honest 
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second time they tried to steal my Scooter (I had fitted an alarm since the first incident and it went off. A voice one "WARNING: STEP AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE" and sounds the alarm twice, then says it again. The dog got up, I went outside and they had already ran off.) - Police took a statement over the phone and that was the last I heard of it.
More recently I called the police at work due to a group of kids hanging around at 1am. They came and the kids ran off. 2 weeks later I had a phone call asking if it was all okay.
) second time they tried to steal my Scooter (I had fitted an alarm since the first incident and it went off. A voice one "WARNING: STEP AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE" and sounds the alarm twice, then says it again. The dog got up, I went outside and they had already ran off.) - Police took a statement over the phone and that was the last I heard of it.
More recently I called the police at work due to a group of kids hanging around at 1am. They came and the kids ran off. 2 weeks later I had a phone call asking if it was all okay.