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Police 'to be given powers to view everyone's entire internet history'

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by opethdisciple, 30 Oct 2015.

  1. Iamzod

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    What's to stop me from going down the street with a mobile or laptop bought on e-bay & using someone else's unsecured connection or the connection at McDonalds & googling how to do whatever or communicating with someone via a googlemail account set up by a third party abroad & not linked to me in any way?

    If people want to get around this I'm pretty sure there are many ways.
     
  2. OhEsEcks

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    Mac addresses. There's a reason Apple started using random Mac addresses in their phones when scanning for networks.

    https://code.wireshark.org/review/gitweb?p=wireshark.git;a=blob_plain;f=manuf
    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/file/index/docid/858324/filename/Wi-Fi_Stalking.pdf

    You'd have to know Mac spoofing to be untraceable.
     
  3. Iamzod

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  4. OhEsEcks

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    Read the PDF.
     
  5. Iamzod

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    I have, but just because a MAC address is known to belong to a Samsung Galaxy sold by Carphone warehouse in Manchester 7 years ago to a Mr Bean who then sold it to some randomer on e-bay in Dubai 2 years later who never powered it up & who then sent it to Achmed the dead terrorist in Edinburgh after 5 years & who is now using it without a sim card to talk to his friends in Syria using some random unsecured Wi-Fi connection the MAC becomes irrelevant?

    Sure they will be able to see that achmed was connected to grandad bobs Wi-Fi & was talking to his terrorist friends 3 months ago but that doesn't tell you who Achmed is, it just tells you Achmed had Mr Beans old phone before he put it down the toilet & granddad bob needs to put a password on his Wi-Fi.

    Or am I missing something?
     
  6. Trifid

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    Given a mac address of a device that entered my works premises (doesn't need to connect to the wifi) I can see where you have been. Once you have gone past a CCTV camera, I can see your face. I can then follow you round the site. Used the ATM? The bank could tell me your name.

    I'm not overly sure how this relates to the topic though.
     
  7. Iamzod

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    Because I presumed it would make the whole tracking your usage history thing totally pointless, anyone organised enough could get around it leaving them just tracking the usage of joe public. (and idiots)
     
  8. oldbag

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    So will it be worth using tor even for normal browsing? Assuming you don't want your every move on the web logged.
     
  9. Neil79

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    So what/who IS the best VPN?
     
  10. OhEsEcks

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    Any that's not located within the five eyes nations.
     
  11. Amp34

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    Ones base in Cyprus are quite popular because they are not required to log users and what they look at.
     
  12. Acme

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    I use PureVPN.

    At about £2.50 a month, you can't complain... Have it set up in SSTP with 128bit encryption. :)
     
  13. ajf

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    I had thought this too. Surely a tor browser would make a complete mockery of these laws?
    I don't believe there was anything about this or in fact VPNs so far in the new laws?

    I could see these being tagged into the future discussions on encryption laws though?
     
  14. Neil79

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    Where is that based?
     
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  16. oldbag

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    I'm not sure, they were saying on tv that the logging will only show the root page hit and not the pages underneath (haha, sure, I bet they already log everything already).

    For me, this is more about universal monitoring of the population under the guise of protection, since any terrorist will use specific security techniques in communication, which your average non-technical person would not even understand, therefore we sacrifice our civil liberties for little gain.

    And for those who use tor, you have to trust the operators of the exit nodes. For VPN services which you pay for, you cannot guarantee they won't just hand your information over anyway, so paying for a service doesn't guarantee you security/privacy, you cannot be 100% sure they don't keep logs of your activities.

    To be secure, you require a service where even the operators are unable to discover what the user is doing and probably we are not far off it and the net result is that it will make it harder for them to catch the bad guys, because of ever better security being created as a result of this kind of monitoring.
     
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  17. Acme

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  18. Mynight

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    Surely the ones you have to look out for are the ones that wouldn't get caught this way? Doubt they googled twin towers structural plans.
     
  19. oldbag

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    I thought this would be obvious.
     
  20. oldbag

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    Can you evidence the claim that everyone is capable of understanding encryption and methods to work securely?