Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th
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I did poo poo the idea that they are, not that they can't influence though...the Tories are very likely to win this election with a decent majority - I don't think the Sun would be able to stop them from winning.
Yes I think the Green's share of the vote would increase. No I do not think that the Green Party would win the general election just because the newspapers were telling people to vote Green. Difference between influence and deciding. Most papers in this country backed remain, including the Murdoch owned Times, the people decided for themselves.
Looking into the details of the Conservative manifesto, two things stand out:
1. A pledge to make all elections FPTP, including mayoral elections.
2. A pledge to bring in a requirement to show ID when voting in person.
The Conservatives are going to try their hardest to game the system in their favour. FTFP is a terrible and outdated voting system, prone to accusations of gerrymandering. Voter ID requirements have proven to lower voter numbers and have very, very little effect on voter fraud.
1. A pledge to make all elections FPTP, including mayoral elections.
2. A pledge to bring in a requirement to show ID when voting in person.
The Conservatives are going to try their hardest to game the system in their favour. FTFP is a terrible and outdated voting system, prone to accusations of gerrymandering. Voter ID requirements have proven to lower voter numbers and have very, very little effect on voter fraud.
Indeed and the Murdoch owned Sun backed leave - that in part is indicative of them catering to their readers/demographic.
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Wow how has that video not been shared more. Considering the amount of flack labour got for not costing theirs (they did ... Even if stupidly abitious) .... They havnt even done anything
Because people have their fingers in their ears and don't want to hear it...
http://ourglobalfuture.com/2017/05/the-case-for-immigration/
Study estimating we'll need long-term net immigration of 200,000+ to maintain the economy in light of the ageing population.
The tories aren't going to do diddly-squat about immigration. It's economic suicide.
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Because a lot of the media are pro-Tory and they don't want turkeys leaving the queue for Xmas.
I expect many people have already made their minds up - personally I think the Tory manifesto is disappointing and isnt the best one out there that represents me
However.......
I dont see any credible party outside of the Tories that would make me put a tick in their box so whilst some of the stuff in there isnt great - I dont trust any of the others (better manifesto or not) to be competent enough to deliver theirs.
a bit of a rubbish situation to be in but not voting isnt an option
1. We had a referendum on voting reform in 2011, the people decided they preferred FPTP. I personally wanted to change to AV, but I accept the result of that referendum so we must stick with FPTP (I did point out at the time that voting for FPTP would mean no possibility of voting reform for a long, long time). Hey ho.
2. Surely tackling voting fraud is a good thing for government to be prioritising? We wouldn't want any external influence of our elections now would we?
Not now with 5 weeks to go. However, if the Sun had spent the last 7 years pushing against them and running a propaganda campaign towards them then it might have been a much closer result or even a win for Labour although the Labour party did so much damage to themselves that the gap is too big.
But this "fake news", the Tories can do no wrong etc media push will certainly be worth many seats in the Tory majority government.
Clealy in any election if the starting point is that its a one horse race with a massive majority there is nothing any media outlet can do to change that result but a lot of our elections arent that big. We are normally a two party system in this country and I think the media can easily swing the vote one way or another by a few percent.
We are all in this together and its "tough love" Don't forget May stated yesterday in here speech that if we dont get a deal from Brexit, this country will be financially ruined.
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Yep, May has pledged to keep immigration at current levels. No cuts. Brexit voters will be disappointed.
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Did she actually say that? I'm shocked if she actually said that. I believe the statement is partially true to be honest... But then if it does financially ruin us then should we be really going ahead with it?
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Well you hope whatever government was in place would have the balls to cancel the exit if it was going to shaft as as much as has been predicted.
What makes Teresa May and the Tories so competent? What specifically have they done since July 2016 to convince you they are so much better than anyone else?
What makes Teresa May and the Tories so competent? What specifically have they done since July 2016 to convince you they are so much better than anyone else?
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Silly thing is they don't really have to exude confidence, the opposition is currently so bad/incompetent that any mediocre politicians are competent when running against Labour. The Tories could have chosen to put practically nothing in their manifesto, not taken controversial decisions re: social care etc.. and they'd still convincingly be better than Corbyn and chums...
This is what she actually said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...sequences-without-clean-brexit-warns-theresa/
Not Greebo's BS quote - more lies...
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As said before and as proven many times in the past, voter ID has little effect on voter fraud, also that voter fraud is relatively insignificant compared to the number of people it disenfranchises.
We had this argument in the US 2012 when Republicans pushed for voter ID to target democrat strong states which tended to have larger numbers of people who did not have ID (that generally tended to vote democrat more than republican). I think as many people as 11% in the US back then did not have a form of picture ID and certain demographics were less likely to have ID than others depending on age, ethnic origin and income.
Now we are not as isolated as the US and so more people do possess ID, however let us not fool ourselves that this ID business is to do with stamping out election fraud rather than making sure one party gets the edge over another. With reports of voter fraud being so hilariously low, how can anyone argue that introduction of this ID check is a move for democracy, when it disenfranchises significantly more people.
https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2016/12/how-big-a-problem-is-voting-fraud-in-uk-elections.html/
THIS ^^
It's not that I rate their competence as great - the others are soo poor that by default they win.
They should have put out a very minimalist manifesto to be honest and reduced shooting themselves in the foot by doing so.
I have taken my quote marks away and I have found a transcript of her speeech. She actually said
So basically the whole thing about wither Brexit is a good or bad thing for this country totally depends on getting a good exit deal. If we don't we are all screwed.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...7/read-theresa-mays-full-speech-conservatives
I have amended my quote to the actual quote now which still says if we dont get a good deal then we are all screwed. Spin that all you want.
And that telegraph headline is just as much BS as my misquote. She never said it would be dire if we didnt get a clean Brexit. She said it would be dire if we didnt get a good deal. They are not the same.
Its a hell of a gamble on this countries future to even think about leaving if the consequences of the negotiations going wrong are so dire. Especially when it was decided on a whim without been properly thought out.
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