Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th
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i READ "WORK FOR THE COUNTRY" as making sure the top 5% of wealth are better off and they do just enough that that there arent any riots or uprising by the peasant rabble.
This is the first General Election in a long time where I'm genuinely conflicted as to where to put my vote. I used to live in Cambridge, and a vote for the Lib Dems was meaningful there. Now living in South Yorkshire, particularly an area that's dominated by red, a vote for LD is likely to play into the hands of the Conservatives or UKIP. So while I'm ideologically aligned with LD, I can't currently see beyond a Labour vote. I suspect the same is true in many places, which is a shame.
What frustrates me is that this GE is going to play out with the Brexit line front and centre, but to be frank that's not what's bothering me. What concerns me more is the post-Brexit period where (if the Conservatives win) we'll see further erosion of public services, changes to tax and pensions that benefit only the rich, and there's a serious risk to privacy and freedom. The Tories know that Brexit is incendiary with the working class, so they'll continue to push that agenda, and it'll be that same working class that suffers from post-Brexit Tory policy.
What frustrates me is that this GE is going to play out with the Brexit line front and centre, but to be frank that's not what's bothering me. What concerns me more is the post-Brexit period where (if the Conservatives win) we'll see further erosion of public services, changes to tax and pensions that benefit only the rich, and there's a serious risk to privacy and freedom. The Tories know that Brexit is incendiary with the working class, so they'll continue to push that agenda, and it'll be that same working class that suffers from post-Brexit Tory policy.
I have to agree in most of those comments - the shadow of what would happen if Labour was given a go of it with Corbyn in charge unfortunately would be amusing but would end up being the most unfunny joke.
Mral of this story is yes the Tories arent great and you can point that out all day but the alternative would be the worst thing this country could ever do
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Mercenary gets it.
What is the point of voting/voting in a safe seat? Making the sitting MP feel mortal, creating a virtuous network effect and clawing away at their majority. That is, there exists an opposition not just somewhere out there, protesting in big cities, but close to home and it is active - that wakes MPs up. It also signals to other like-minded voters that you exist and agree with them. Thus improving morale and turnout. Furthermore, demonstrating active constituency opposition is more effective than people think - it's personal and psychological. Then the sitting MP also won't be able to count 'the silent' minority in their mandate, which they can if you just don't turn up and rail online. Protest without votes, or petitions without both, have a very poor record of achievement.
Put simply: register, turn up, vote; and be vocal about it. Indeed, matching the regular turnout of 60+ y.o. voters with a <40 y.o. turnout equivalent, even without an explicit guarantee that they vote Labour/LD/etc, would still produce a more moderate result, and can defeat a Tory majority/force a coalition - every time.
What is the point of voting/voting in a safe seat? Making the sitting MP feel mortal, creating a virtuous network effect and clawing away at their majority. That is, there exists an opposition not just somewhere out there, protesting in big cities, but close to home and it is active - that wakes MPs up. It also signals to other like-minded voters that you exist and agree with them. Thus improving morale and turnout. Furthermore, demonstrating active constituency opposition is more effective than people think - it's personal and psychological. Then the sitting MP also won't be able to count 'the silent' minority in their mandate, which they can if you just don't turn up and rail online. Protest without votes, or petitions without both, have a very poor record of achievement.
Put simply: register, turn up, vote; and be vocal about it. Indeed, matching the regular turnout of 60+ y.o. voters with a <40 y.o. turnout equivalent, even without an explicit guarantee that they vote Labour/LD/etc, would still produce a more moderate result, and can defeat a Tory majority/force a coalition - every time.
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Arguably the great unwashed have just done the worst thing we could possibly do.
Possibly although no one has a crystal ball all we can do is speculate. The one fact that we do know if that there are more "great unwashed" that there are those with the same view as you (I'll assume the tone of your post that you voted Remain) that bothered to vote.
Anyway the term great unwashed relates to the lower classes of which the working class is a part of that - isnt it slightly odd that the Labour party which is proposed to represent this group of people to be completely at odds. That might start to describe the sudden loss of votes Labour are seeing (possibly being figure headed by some imbecile who lives in a completely different world)
Your level of debating is a masterclass......
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You probably won't. The polls are telling them the voters are going tribal and judging this on leaders' personalities. So they'll keep hiding St May and neg Corbyn. Corbynistas will be triggered and hand the election to them. That's the plan, at least, courtesy of Lynton Crosby. Wonder if he'll run Zac's constituency run on the side again?
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You probably won't. The polls are telling them the voters are going tribal and judging this on leaders' personalities. So they'll keep hiding St May and neg Corbyn. Corbynistas will be triggered and hand the election to them. That's the plan, at least, courtesy of Lynton Crosby. Wonder if he'll run Zac's constituency run on the side again?
Policies rarely matter to most of the ***** that vote.
Whilst I wouldnt use that particular phrase - I would agree - there are plenty of constituencies that would vote for a farm animal with the right coloured rosette on it, although things are a changing
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Just like the Brexit campaign the election will be fought on half truths and alt-facts.
Just like the Remain campaign the election will be fought on half truths and alt-facts.
or were you too blind to see that aswell
like any other election then ?
There is literally no credible opposition right now. Hence why I believe Tories, under May, are the best option.
Labour will leave us with a half brexit which will mean all the drawbacks with none of the benefits. Plus, pander to the unions, pushing up wages and pensions and making the future burden much worse than it is now. It's the previous Labour government that left us with public services crippled under unaffordable pension liabilities.
Lib Dem - well, I voted for them in the past but whenever they get someone half decent at the helm the crucify them. The Scottish guy who was actually pretty decent but they nailed him over his drinking. Clegg, IMO, was decent but they nailed him for climbing into bed with the Tories (he didn't really have much choice and also had no choice with the Uni fees) However, the Lib Dems are far too weak to manage the country even if their hearts in the right place saying they would stop Brexit.
Could they actually stop Brexit and how would that look and be received by the EU?
Labour will leave us with a half brexit which will mean all the drawbacks with none of the benefits. Plus, pander to the unions, pushing up wages and pensions and making the future burden much worse than it is now. It's the previous Labour government that left us with public services crippled under unaffordable pension liabilities.
Lib Dem - well, I voted for them in the past but whenever they get someone half decent at the helm the crucify them. The Scottish guy who was actually pretty decent but they nailed him over his drinking. Clegg, IMO, was decent but they nailed him for climbing into bed with the Tories (he didn't really have much choice and also had no choice with the Uni fees) However, the Lib Dems are far too weak to manage the country even if their hearts in the right place saying they would stop Brexit.
Could they actually stop Brexit and how would that look and be received by the EU?
I agree however Brexit is for life, a Tory government is "only" up to 5 years.
Schools and the NHS are already in ruins and have been for years. Increased middle management which costs a fortune in salary and pension and breeds power crazy pseudo-nazi's which have nothing but contempt of frontline staff. (but keeps the unions happy - sort of)
Labour or the Lib Dems have no chance of pulling the billions out of thin air that are required to repair our public services. The Tory answer isn't ideal but it's more credible than the others.
Schools and the NHS are already in ruins and have been for years. Increased middle management which costs a fortune in salary and pension and breeds power crazy pseudo-nazi's which have nothing but contempt of frontline staff. (but keeps the unions happy - sort of)
Labour or the Lib Dems have no chance of pulling the billions out of thin air that are required to repair our public services. The Tory answer isn't ideal but it's more credible than the others.
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