Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

[StriderX]

Ouu, Kippers wont like that.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

-WW3 was what the lying papers like the DM and Express said. Cameron never said these words unless you can prove it otherwise?
- Emergency budget not needed as A50 not invoked day after election. #
- Economy has taken a down turn and almost every economic figure is exactly as the treasury report predicted. You know, the one called Project fear and all that and called lies.- They are starting, bit by bit companies are moving jobs and headquarters abroad. Nobody said it was going to happen on day 1.

So overall the remain side got it pretty right so far unlike the leave side. I am sure some of the things you remember are lies put out bu the Leave side/media "claiming" thats what the remain side is saying.

Don't forget that the BOE took some corrective action immediately. That couldn't be publicised in advance as it would have allowed speculators.
The emergency budget was in effect deferred by this action and still would arguably have needed to happen even though nothing else happened the day after the reffy

 

[dowie]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/

The Bank of England has admitted its dire warnings of a downturn in the wake of the Brexit vote were a “Michael Fish” moment and said that the economics profession was now in “crisis”.

Andy Haldane, the Bank of England’s chief economist, said there was a “disconnect” between political warnings about Brexit and the “remarkably placid” state of the markets, adding that the worst predictions may turn out to be “just scare stories”.

He made the concession as new figures suggested Britain was the fastest growing of all advanced economies last year after the services sector defied gloomy forecasts to hit a 17-month high.

and this:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/chief-economist-of-bank-of-england-admits-errors

The bank has come under intense criticism for predicting a dramatic slowdown in the UK’s fortunes in the event of a vote for Brexit only for the economy to bounce back strongly and remain one of the best performing in the developed world.

Haldane is known to be concerned about mounting criticism of experts and the potential for Threadneedle Street’s forecasts to be dismissed by politicians if errors persist.

Former Tory ministers, including the former foreign secretary William Hague and the former justice secretary Michael Gove, last year attacked the Bank of Englandgovernor, Mark Carney, for predicting a dramatic slowdown in growth if the country voted to leave the EU.

The BOE is admitting they did get their forecasts wrong - though some armchair experts on here are still adamant that didn't happen...

 

[Alan B'Stard MP]

- there was some nonsense about WW3
- there would be an emergency budget to raise everyones taxes that didnt happen
- stuff about an immediate recession and job losses
- a mass exodus of companies

Cameron made the point that the EU has stabilised and strengthened the relationships between member states over the past few decades and made a war between western European nations unthinkable. It was Boris Johnson who caricatured his comments as meaning that us leaving the EU would result in WW3 and, of course, his silly interpretation was lapped up by the right-wing media and reported as fact.

An emergency budget was unnecessary as Article 50 was not triggered until 9 months later and in the last budget Hammond did try to raise taxes. A recession is a real possibility but it will be 2 years before we are out of the EU and many large companies are already making their arrangements to leave. How bad our economy will suffer once we are outside the single market without a tariff-free trade agreement with the EU is anyone's guess. The Brexiters never bothered to do an economic analysis of that scenario. Given that it took 7 years for CETA to be negotiated and agreed between the EU and Canada, we are likely to have plenty of time to find out the hard way.

At the end of March the government set out its plan for a "Great Repeal Bill" – which doesn't actually jettison all the nasty EU legislation that Leavers voted to reject. In fact it does the opposite. The government will ask parliament to import, wholesale, 40,000 legal acts, 15,000 court verdicts and 62,000 international standards: all the EU law that currently applies to the UK. But the government will give itself a 'Henry VIII clause', allowing ministers and civil servants to tinker with the fine print of that law without referring back to parliament. How democratic!

 

[Greebo]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/


and this:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/chief-economist-of-bank-of-england-admits-errors


The BOE is admitting they did get their forecasts wrong - though some armchair experts on here are still adamant that didn't happen...

I must be reading different articles. The first one is a Leadsom opinion the BOE is wrong and the second one is a BOW official basically saying some of the worst bits havent come true (yet) as we all seem to have buried our heads in the sand and just pretending its not happening.

“Right now there is a very interesting disconnect between what we read in the papers about the degree of political and policy uncertainty, which by any historical metric is at high levels, and what we have seen from the economy and financial markets, which have actually been remarkably placid. That disconnect cannot last forever. There will need to be a reconciliation between the two.

Up to now the economy has been kept up due to people spending all their savings and borrowing record amounts of unsecured money, Guess what, Thats stopped now. Savings are at record lows and borrowing is at record highs. Now we will start and see the effects of Brexit really bite.

 

[dowie]

Mina point of me linking the article was that the BOE was wrong and have admitted as much - the pre-vote fear mongering was wrong as the other poster has pointed out and some people in the thread are trying to deny... whatever you believe may happen in future doesn't change that.

 

[Judgeneo]

Ouu, Kippers wont like that.

Haha, where else can they vote? UKIP as a party has no purpose or talent anymore.

 

[Alan B'Stard MP]

Theresa May said in April 2016:

'It is tempting to look at developing countries' economies, with their high growth rates, and see them as an alternative to trade with Europe. But just look at the reality of our trading relationship with China - with its dumping policies, protective tariffs and industrial-scale industrial espionage. And look at the figures. We export more to Ireland than we do to China, almost twice as much to Belgium as we do to India, and nearly three times as much to Sweden as we do to Brazil. It is not realistic to think we could just replace European trade with these new markets.'

'And while we could certainly negotiate our own trade agreements, there would be no guarantee that they would be on terms as good as those we enjoy now. There would also be a considerable opportunity cost given the need to replace the existing agreements - not least with the EU itself - that we would have torn up as a consequence of our departure.'

I believe Britons are going to be increasingly confronted with the stark revelation that our own successive governments and not the EU have been behind many if not all of our problems. After all, if it were the EU's fault then Britain's problems would also be the problems of other EU countries and they are not.

Other EU countries have managed their immigration intake better than we have been doing for decades. Other EU countries have developed better-balanced economies so that their exports are buoyant and not reliant on one sector (like financial services in the UK).

I was shocked recently to learn that Ireland, with a population of only 4.5 million, has annual exports that amount to a quarter of British exports (with 65 million people). How can blame for this be laid at the door of the EU? Indeed, it is many decades since Britain has enjoyed a trade surplus (when exports exceed imports) but other EU countries like Germany and Ireland can boast of a very large trading surplus.

I feel that we the British people have been conned into blaming the EU for all our shortcomings and we are now about to discover the truth. Alas, it will come too late.

 

[n111ck]

Don't forget that the BOE took some corrective action immediately. That couldn't be publicised in advance as it would have allowed speculators.
The emergency budget was in effect deferred by this action and still would arguably have needed to happen even though nothing else happened the day after the reffy

So either we were deliberately misled or Osbourne wasn't aware of what corrective actions the BOE could take - neither paints Remain in a positive light.

 

[Alan B'Stard MP]

So either we were deliberately misled or Osbourne wasn't aware of what corrective actions the BOE could take - neither paints Remain in a positive light.

The Remain campaigners may have exaggerated for effect. However, the gist of their predictions - financial turmoil, serious devaluation of sterling (it fell 18% against the US dollar), international business being diverted elsewhere, increasing unemployment and yet more cuts to vital and already hard-pressed public services, are still the probable shape of things to come.

The Brexit brigade, on the other hand, lied blatantly. They knew there wouldn't be any more money for the UK government to spend, quite the opposite, and they knew that the Tory right-wingers driving the campaign don't think we should have an NHS, or indeed any other form of publicly-funded health service; they certainly wouldn't be putting £350 million a week extra into it.

(For those who say that the bus advert that mentioned saving £350 million a week and increasing NHS funding was just a suggestion. Actually, Boris Johnson spoke during the campaign in front of a message which explicitly promised an extra £350 million a week for the NHS after we leave the EU.)

Mendacity from both sides during the campaign, but an order of magnitude more from the Brexiters.

 

[Freddie1980]

Theresa May said in April 2016:


I believe Britons are going to be increasingly confronted with the stark revelation that our own successive governments and not the EU have been behind many if not all of our problems. After all, if it were the EU's fault then Britain's problems would also be the problems of other EU countries and they are not.

Other EU countries have managed their immigration intake better than we have been doing for decades. Other EU countries have developed better-balanced economies so that their exports are buoyant and not reliant on one sector (like financial services in the UK).

I was shocked recently to learn that Ireland, with a population of only 4.5 million, has annual exports that amount to a quarter of British exports (with 65 million people). How can blame for this be laid at the door of the EU? Indeed, it is many decades since Britain has enjoyed a trade surplus (when exports exceed imports) but other EU countries like Germany and Ireland can boast of a very large trading surplus.

I feel that we the British people have been conned into blaming the EU for all our shortcomings and we are now about to discover the truth. Alas, it will come too late.

Ireland, Portugal and Spain economies all tanked when the financial crisis hit as their economies were unbalanced due over development of housing projects. France suffers ongoing economic turmoil due to it's own cumbersome legislation and Germany risks unbalancing the who Euro region due to it's exports/imports ratio. As an outsider BBB looking in the whole Euro project looks like protection racket to protect German businesses and that's before we get onto Greece and Italy.

 

[Rroff]

Ireland, Portugal and Spain economies all tanked when the financial crisis hit as their economies were unbalanced due over development of housing projects. France suffers ongoing economic turmoil due to it's own cumbersome legislation and Germany risks unbalancing the who Euro region due to it's exports/imports ratio. As an outsider BBB looking in the whole Euro project looks like protection racket to protect German businesses and that's before we get onto Greece and Italy.

Glad I'm not the only one who can see some of that - if you take a closer look at the way Germany is leaning on investments in Spain, etc. its actually kind of scary - if they stop holding up a lot is going to come unravelled in the wider German economy.

 

[Freddie1980]

The Remain campaigners may have exaggerated for effect. However, the gist of their predictions - financial turmoil, serious devaluation of sterling (it fell 18% against the US dollar), international business being diverted elsewhere, increasing unemployment and yet more cuts to vital and already hard-pressed public services, are still the probable shape of things to come.

The Brexit brigade, on the other hand, lied blatantly.

Lieing wasn't exclusive to the Brexit brigade, they just lied better then the remainers with their economic scare stories.

 

[Rroff]

Lieing wasn't exclusive to the Brexit brigade, they just lied better then the remainers with their economic scare stories.

Both sides used about the same level of shallow and obvious lies and hysteria, etc. anyone who bought into or was swayed by it deserves what they get :|

 

[Azza]

This is the kind of **** that really ****** me off.


Chris Doidge of BBC Radio Derby asks the PM "Do you know what a know what a mugwump is?"

Her reply...


And I kid you not, this isn't a joke ...


"What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership and we need that because we need to have a strong hand in negotiating our deal with the European Union for Brexit so that we get that brighter future for this country."



You can listen to it here - https://audioboom.com/posts/5862107-mugwump



What the actual ****?! Is she stuck on repeat or something?!

 

[grudas]

What the actual ****?! Is she stuck on repeat or something?!

that's what I was saying, complete joke! wth.

 

[Azza]

She's been to a business centre in Leeds this evening as well.


And surprisingly she didn't meet anyone from the businesses based in there, she arrived after they had left work and only people allowed in were invite only.

Spoiler

 

[Greebo]

So it's strong stable Leadership and standing up for Britain for 6 weeks then? Repeat over and over?

 

[Uther]

So it's strong stable Leadership and standing up for Britain for 6 weeks then? Repeat over and over?

I'm not sure her talking about gutting the NHS, getting rid of the triple lock on pensions, raising VAT, income tax and NI will do her any favours, so it's all she's got really...

 

[V F]

Both sides used about the same level of shallow and obvious lies and hysteria, etc. anyone who bought into or was swayed by it deserves what they get :|

Eh.. We're all on the same playing field. You take the bad with the good.