Poll: Poll: should the UK ban the islamic veil?

[Sinny]

I've never had a problem with it, if they want to hide themselves thats up to them.

but I do have a problem with people wearing them inside banks and places that hold stock of items with a high value.

 

[muon]

I've never had a problem with it, if they want to hide themselves thats up to them.

but I do have a problem with people wearing them inside banks and places that hold stock of items with a high value.

If banks are willing to have them, which they are by the way, then it's not your business. I've seen people walk in and out wearing bicycle helmets and banks don't care.

It's not really much of a security risk. If you wanted to hide your identity without using a veil, there are many ways.

 

[SlugForAButt]

The whole of British society, eh? Is that a fact or did you just pluck it out of your bum?

I don't act like a bigot (I don't think you understand what the word bigot means) and I don't think I know better than everyone else.

Other than that, that's another compelling and interesting post you've made there. Well done.

Maybe you need to get out more and socialise and learn instead of sitting behind your keyboard making assumptions and quoting facts like a geek.

I know exactly what a bigot is, and it is what I stated you are. Anyone that disagrees with you is wrong, even though they are in the majority.

Quoted from Cambridge:

"a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"

Maybe you don't understand what a bigot is?

 

[jas72]

Yes but only if they also ban those skinny jeans that everybody wears now. I find those offensive.

leggings on morbidly obese women with tree trunk legs

 

[SlugForAButt]

leggings on morbidly obese women with tree trunk legs

Fetish territory.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Maybe you need to get out more and socialise and learn instead of sitting behind your keyboard making assumptions and quoting facts like a geek.

I know exactly what a bigot is, and it is what I stated you are. Anyone that disagrees with you is wrong, even though they are in the majority.

Quoted from Cambridge:

"a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"

Maybe you don't understand what a bigot is?

Which facts did I quote? What assumptions did I make? I said nothing about those who disagree with my views being wrong.

I know you're not the sharpest but perhaps you should read what you're typing before you post your nonsense.

 

[muon]

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1658/wi...ot-in-america?src=prc-latest&proj=peoplepress

A survey by the Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project, conducted April 7 to May 8, finds that the French public overwhelmingly endorses this measure; 82% approve of a ban on Muslim women wearing full veils in public, including schools, hospitals and government offices, while just 17% disapprove.1

Majorities in Germany (71%), Britain (62%) and Spain (59%) would also support a similar ban in their own countries. In contrast, most Americans would oppose such a measure; 65% say they would disapprove of a ban on Muslim women wearing full veils in public places compared with 28% who say they would approve.

This is the difference in attitude that I like about the USA. Personal freedoms are guaranteed by the constitution and people actually believe in its ability to prevent majority tyranny. The country most hurt by Islamic extremism is unwavering in its belief in the freedom to express religion as you wish without government interference.

edit:

My point is, wearing a veil does not interfere with anyone else's rights. Being able to see someone else's face in public is not a constitutional right (in the US or even France currently), nor should it be.

 

[Biohazard]

The US is not the 'most hurt country from Islamic extremism'. It has the worst single atrocity, sure.

The countries that live under that extremism are quite probably far worse off and injured from radical Islam..

 

[muon]

The US is not the 'most hurt country from islamic extremism'.

The countries that live under that extremism are.

Yep, a slight error. But when talking on this issue of banning veils, of all the relevant countries they have been the target of the most hate and actual attacks.

I would have hoped that in the context of this thread, there would be no need to point this out. But hey, this is the internet.

 

[Doohickey]

Not try and infect the UK with Islamic culture.

????????

No one is trying to 'infect' the UK with Islamic culture. Bloody hell....

 

[Doohickey]

a1ex2001

Why don't you put your wife in some hot pants and take her for a holiday to some where hot, i bet her legs could do with some sun. It is utterly ridiculous to see muslim women covering their bodies when everyone else is in bikinis and swimming trunk. To be honest i think it is evil and if you are also too brainwashed to realize how bloody stupid you are then it is not surprising that you are muslim.

You really worry me. Not just on this subject matter, but your (lack of) general intelligence and logic.

 

[Allnamestaken]

I know its ridiculous how much of a bloody bint Groen is.

 

[Doohickey]

I know its ridiculous how much of a bloody bint Groen is.

Unfortunately we live in a civilised tolerant Western country where intellectually challenged individuals like him are given equal rights and freedom as the rest of us.

 

[lunarwolf]

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1658/wi...ot-in-america?src=prc-latest&proj=peoplepress



This is the difference in attitude that I like about the USA. .

interesting that the poll on OCuk seems on par with Pew results.

I think the US is in different situation when it comes to burkha. the muslim poulation in the US is tiny compared to that in EU, and the large percentage of that muslim population is more related to the civil rights movement and the Nation Of Islam which is in a world of it's own. Having lived in the US (New York and Boston) for over 15 years I never saw a burkha.

May I remind you that the current attitude in the USA which you so like is currently on a witch hunt against mexicans and latinos, as illustrated by the Minutemen, Tea Party movement and the recent laws passed in Arizona

 

[Allnamestaken]

I applied for a job in a school which im goin for an interview for.

Working with Mentally challanged and people with generally severe dissabilities.

Im sure I will run into him at somepoint there if i get the job.

 

[Sinny]

If banks are willing to have them, which they are by the way, then it's not your business. I've seen people walk in and out wearing bicycle helmets and banks don't care.

It's not really much of a security risk. If you wanted to hide your identity without using a veil, there are many ways.

It's non of my business exactly, but it's a pretty big security risk for people who might work in a bank.

My local building society doesn't allow full face bike helmets in so it's pretty contradictory that they allow veils inside of the building. also various shops don't allow you in if you're wearing a veil/helmet.

seems pretty reasonable if you want to cover your face you shouldn't be allowed in.

 

[andy85]

I voted the second option ("Don't like the veil, but a ban is not the right approach"). Even though I don't like looking at women dressed as ninjas, it's their right to do so (at least for now as it seems). Also, it's something religious for the Muslim people.

 

[Angilion]

I didn't contradict myself. YOU are targeting and alienating them by forcing rules on them. In what way is she alienated? Can she not talk? Can she not go out and shop/ pay bills/ if I'm happy interacting with someone with a veil on why can't you?? They are not physically separated from society in any way..

Obviously, they are. That's what the full covering is - a physical seperation from society that reflects and reinforces a psychological one. Which is also alienating.

I can interact with someone who considers me unworthy to even see them because I'm a man, someone who explicitly seperates themselves from society, someone who conceals their face (with all that implies), someone who very actively promotes sexism.

I choose not to. Which is clearly what they want anyway if they're choosing to seperate themselves from society like that. So, entirely by coincidence, we want the same thing (but for different reasons).

 

[neoboy]

I don't have a problem with it as such, but I actually thought Jack Straw was in the right when he suggested that it makes community relations difficult. Being a business student and being drilled with importance of communication and all its elements such as appearance and body language having to speak to someone with their face covered is a strange concept to me, almost to a point where I think it's rude.

 

[Van Hellseek]

Unfortunately we live in a overly tolerant Western country where we bend over, pull our trousers down and let practically anyone do as they please without regard to the future of the country.