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:D. I'm quite glad you did a spot of arm waving given it was quite a close race!

I was knackered when we left so didn't catch which car to follow (after your suggestion of a convey back down towards London)... I just guessed my way back through all the local villages until I got to a main road and M1. Hope everyone got back in once piece, I hadn't realised it throughout the day because o the adrenalin but once on the M1 I was definitely feeling it!
Yeah I noticed you guys went a different way.
If mjt (BMW z4 ?) is who I think he is then he is not a person you want to follow if you want to get there in the most direct route. He has a poor sense of direction :D
I even turned the wrong way out of the Autodrome!
I also spent 15 minutes getting lost in Bedford town centre :(
 
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And the JP-LM has just finished processing:

The next time someone asks how to make a track car faster and you need to reply with "tuition tuition tuition" ... post a link to that thread.

Came across the same as a guy I had at cadwell park, keen to push you as hard as he can, explains what your doing when it goes wrong, and wants to make you push further than you think you can.

Some might watch that and think they could have done better in the driving seat, reality is when your pushing so hard your mind is going at a million miles an hour, mainly,going YOUR GOING TO CRAAAAAAAAAAASH when you go flying past the braking boards ... awesome, awesome fun.
 

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Some might watch that and think they could have done better in the driving seat, reality is when your pushing so hard your mind is going at a million miles an hour, mainly,going YOUR GOING TO CRAAAAAAAAAAASH when you go flying past the braking boards ... awesome, awesome fun.

For me I had 100% trust in the guys, I did not think twice about what they were telling me and I just got on with it. I did not feel out of my comfort zone at any point, proving my friends theories that I am a bit mental as it is haha. Kinda worrying, but I can't wait to get more experience. I want to get the MX-5 on track and get the most out of it for sure and I'll probably seek instruction then too.

Also, as a testament to the Palmer guys, they must endure the same kind of "talent" on a regular basis but when you do nail it the hand shake and praise at the end with a genuine smile is a big boost. They seemed to enjoy it as much as we did. Made the day feel that little bit more special.

I'm having withdrawal symptoms now. My once stiff and fast enough MX-5 feels like a boat with the anchor out now! I want to stiffen it up and give it more power haha!

Cracking vids, especially the Jag one.

I thought that was me running over the cone at around 7:50, but I had long got past teh slow 2 people, 1 of whom you actaully got stuck behind and it was him who threw the come up.

I wish you were out infront of me, I would have loved to have been the one chasing, but you were damn quick :D

Cheers mate, we had a good run at the start. You had the disadvantage of being up front though, I think if I was in front you would have been catching me as it's easier to follow the guy in front and try find that little more. I've noticed I was hitting the limiter where I otherwise wouldn't when near the slower guy. Slipstream y0! Also, I braked well too early on that straight with the chevrons and gravel trap. Too much doom in the pre drive briefing about that corner but I know I could have used the second brake board for reference in hindsight.

Yeah, that cone was really close! I can't decide if the Jag or Single seater was my fave yet. Wouldn't say no to either mind you!
 
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The next time someone asks how to make a track car faster and you need to reply with "tuition tuition tuition" ... post a link to that thread.

Came across the same as a guy I had at cadwell park, keen to push you as hard as he can, explains what your doing when it goes wrong, and wants to make you push further than you think you can.

Some might watch that and think they could have done better in the driving seat, reality is when your pushing so hard your mind is going at a million miles an hour, mainly,going YOUR GOING TO CRAAAAAAAAAAASH when you go flying past the braking boards ... awesome, awesome fun.

Nice post matey :)

I watch the video myself now and can see sooo many places where I could have improved... it's just getting the confidence in the car built up! I trusted the instructors, they know the car and track far better than I ever will... it's just all my previous experience says that a car that light and that powerful will kick the back end out quite violently if you floor it round those fast corners. I was expecting it to step out of line and scared that I wouldn't be able to control it if it did.

I then compare to the single seater and although I'm overall slower as I'm building up my confidence again, I can see that my turn-in, breaking and power points are much much better... was able to see this on the data print out too and while I'm obviously not up with the sample lines... the power application is very very close to the sample line - I'll get the scan uploaded at some point :)

It was just getting my head round the "boot it and let the aero sort it out mentality" that I needed more practice with. Next time I expect to be a lot faster as I won't be hesitating anywhere near as much :D

I'm having withdrawal symptoms now. My once stiff and fast enough MX-5 feels like a boat with the anchor out now! I want to stiffen it up and give it more power haha!

Same... I need my E92 M3! Can't stop thinking about the thing... going to do some test driving this weekend, want to compare to the 997 C2S and Cayman while I'm not doing **** loads of overtime. I hope they're as improved as Gibbo suggests as the 996 was a real let-down... very glad I didn't get one instead of the XKR as I came close to doing...

Although... at this rate... it's going to be mid-late next year before I can actually pick one up :( Tooooo longggggg!
 
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Remember everyone. It's not the taking part that counts, it's the winning. :D

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Remember everyone. It's not the taking part that counts, it's the winning. :D

http://www.kaiowas.co.uk/images/PalmersportPrize.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
You came 2nd ;)

In all seriousness, well done :D
BTW, is the bloke on the right off the radio or something? His voice sounded familiar.
 
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Out of curiousity, how many of you would now seriously consider getting a single seater rather over a dedicated track road car now you've experienced the difference?
 

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Hey, you weren't on our day! Your times don't count casue ours was cold and wet :p haha

Out of curiousity, how many of you would now seriously consider getting a single seater rather over a dedicated track road car now you've experienced the difference?

I'd consider one although the implications of maintenance and running I have no idea of. I've never tracked my own car though, but could be a slippery slope when I get on my feet in other areas :)
 
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Out of curiousity, how many of you would now seriously consider getting a single seater rather over a dedicated track road car now you've experienced the difference?

I wouldn't get an open wheeled single seater unless I was sprinting/racing it as finding opportunities to run them on track can be a bit awkward compared to a closed wheeled car that you can run on any trackday.

If I had a bigger budget for track toys than I have now I'd certainly be looking at something along the lines of the JP-LM though.
 

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I wouldn't get an open wheeled single seater unless I was sprinting/racing it as finding opportunities to run them on track can be a bit awkward compared to a closed wheeled car that you can run on any trackday.

If I had a bigger budget for track toys than I have now I'd certainly be looking at something along the lines of the JP-LM though.

Point well made there actually. I wonder how a Radical compares to the JP-LM. Plus a Radical has road legal possibilities too although on this topic not at all necessary.
 
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Ah... but to get a proper Radical, you're looking at about £50k!!!

Whereas you can pick up ok-condition single seaters for £6-10k, generally not quite as fast as the one we were in at the palmersport day... but not all that far off...

I saw a turbo/supercharged hayabusa engined jedi mk4 chassis on pistonheads for about £14k kicking out ~350bhp... I was very very tempted... that would have been bonkers!
 
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For me I had 100% trust in the guys, I did not think twice about what they were telling me and I just got on with it.

Hell ye, Charlie was a complete hero and when I nailed corner dequences together perfectly at max speed he was lovin git: WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO :D


Cheers mate, we had a good run at the start. You had the disadvantage of being up front though, I think if I was in front you would have been catching me as it's easier to follow the guy in front and try find that little more. I've noticed I was hitting the limiter where I otherwise wouldn't when near the slower guy. Slipstream y0! Also, I braked well too early on that straight with the chevrons and gravel trap. Too much doom in the pre drive briefing about that corner but I know I could have used the second brake board for reference in hindsight.

Yeah, that cone was really close! I can't decide if the Jag or Single seater was my fave yet. Wouldn't say no to either mind you!

Ye, up front it was a bit weird, but seeing you in my mirrors helped me push on hard. SLipstream y0 indeed, or just forgetting to change up :D;P

THey did put the fear of death into us, on the first few laps it felt pedestrian braking at board 1, and the last group of laps it was all abuot stamping on the pedal near the 2nd board. I really want to go back again!!!!!! Now!
 
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I wouldn't get an open wheeled single seater unless I was sprinting/racing it as finding opportunities to run them on track can be a bit awkward compared to a closed wheeled car that you can run on any trackday.

If I had a bigger budget for track toys than I have now I'd certainly be looking at something along the lines of the JP-LM though.

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Ah... but to get a proper Radical, you're looking at about £50k!!!

Whereas you can pick up ok-condition single seaters for £6-10k, generally not quite as fast as the one we were in at the palmersport day... but not all that far off...

I saw a turbo/supercharged hayabusa engined jedi mk4 chassis on pistonheads for about £14k kicking out ~350bhp... I was very very tempted... that would have been bonkers!

Crinkleshoes is right. A radical is not only very expensive to buy, but expensive to run. The single seaters you can get for £3k - 10k are extremely simple machines, with ford, vw or vauxhall engines that are close to standard with the exception of a dry sump. Most of the engines come straight out of Sierras, escorts etc and use all the same standard parts.

It's true that there are more track days than there are test days for single seaters, however there are still plenty. Any week of the year there will be at least a few circuits running a suitable test day for single seaters.

The test days are perhaps a little more expensive on the whole, but the quality of the track time is significantly better. No waiting for other cars to indicate you past, if you are faster than someone you simply use your judgement to pass them. You get a better standard of driving since all of the drivers will have passed an ARDS test at minimum and most will be very experienced racers.

Once you have gone to the expense of dedicated track car, getting it to the track etc, then quality of track time is probably going to be more important than saving a few £ anyway.


The reason I asked the question about whether driving the JP-LM or Palmer Jaguar had changed your feelings on whether you'd go for a track road car or a single seater is that over the last few years, there seems to have been a shift towards people doing track days and spending a lot of money building cars for track days rather than going racing.

Unless you're looking at either occasionally tracking your everyday roadcar (which in itself throws up issues) or building something super cheap on a tiny budget (ie £100s rather than £1000s) it's something that has never made a lot of sense to me.

I suspect its because the top levels of motorsport have made themselves seem so inaccessable to the rest of us, with armies of mechanics running just one car even in the lower formulae.
The reality is though that there is still a very healthy club racing scene that is easy suprisingly easy to get into.

At club level the cars are a lot cheaper and easier to run than most people would imagine and has numerous benefits over running a tweaked road car on the track.

I can't help but feel like people are really missing out.
Whether it's getting a 2 stroke kart for a few £100 or an old race car for a few £1000 to have a play in there's a whole load of fun to be had for a not a lot of money. Ultimately a lot more fun per £ than the track day scene IMO.

Inevitably for many the competetive element comes into play and the beauty of taking the race car/kart route is that you can then move straight into racing against people with the same machinery.

It's really interesting to hear the direction you guys might take after experiencing all the different kind of cars. You're all no doubt exactly the kind of adrenline junkies who won't be able to help themselves when it comes to getting some kind of track toy in the future so you can get the palmer experience on a regular basis! :D
 
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Too true.

There are things though that will get somewhere close to the radicals performance without nearly the up-front expense or running costs.

You've actually got me thinking now... if I get the M3, it will be quite expensive to track & I won't be able to get a track toy for another year+

It would be nice to be able to do a bit more & put money in to something I wouldn't want to be quite so careful with. Might be worth getting track toy first & waiting longer for an M3 so I can have more fun in the interim...

Something like this is very tempting - I love the characteristics of bike engines... so a westfield xtr2 fits the bill perfectly... http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3348202.htm - can even drive it to the track & go on most track days.

Then there's obviously an atom - http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3357034.htm

This Westfield V8 looks fun - throttle bodied v8 would sound INCREDIBLE! http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1341582.htm

This looks pretty nice too - http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3402024.htm

This would be the dream though - a radical SR8RX - http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3368746.htm - 460BHP 2.7L V8...
 
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Road legal single seater with 450bhp/tonne for £8500... if I had that cash sitting in my account now I don't think I'd be able to resist!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3203552.htm

Wow that's a bit nuts.

The westfield XTR looks good though if you do want something that is going to be allowed at most track days.

How about a formula Jedi if you like the bike engined stuff?

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/37832/formula_honda_600_jedi_complete_car.html

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3360924.htm

Or come race a FF2000 with me :) You looked quite at home in the JPLM and Palmer Jaguar, won't be long before you have the urge to race wheel to wheel with guys in similar machinery.
 
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