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*** Project Scarlett - Holiday 2020 ***

Discussion in 'Console Games & Hardware' started by ic1male, Jun 9, 2019.

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  1. Raymond Lin

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    It will be less than the price of a high end GFX card.

    In. Probably...depending on the games.
     
  2. ic1male

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    I would strongly disagree with you but the ray tracing might put a spanner in the works and cause resolution/fps to be reduced.

    I'm guessing we're only getting 16GB memory and they'll use the SSD as virtual RAM if extra is needed. That saves a few quid on the Bill of Materials.
     
  3. wwwebber

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    They have pleased you with this announcement so good for you. However, THEY are in it for the money and that means selling lots of consoles & games. I wish them well and hope that they actually do better, competition in the console market improves things for everyone.
     
  4. ic1male

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    Seen a tweet saying that the new Xbox Elite Wireless Controller is 100% compatible with Scarlett. Well, that's jolly good news. The ordinary Xbone controllers are my favourite ever so if they're not changing the design, I'll be well happy.

    https://twitter.com/shieldsjames/status/1137872302094241792
     
  5. rare

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    Xbox One X already runs a number of games 4K at 60fps, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable given this will have at least twice the GPU power and considerable improvements on the CPU and ram side.
     
  6. CHokKA

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    He says further down that the other Xbox One controllers are compatible too. This is awesome because I've got two for my Xbox One (one is red for my little boy) and replacing them is quite expensive!
     
  7. TheVoice

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    It bloody ought to be, it's £160!
     
  8. james.miller

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    It would be quite the jump in perf/watt and drop in manufacturing costs for them to put that sort of GPU power in an APU. I mean, 12TFLOP is a shade under a radeon VII, a 295w TDP card. This 'twice the performance' statement is probably measuring some sort of number that doesnt have a 1:1 relationship with outright GPU power. IE, memory bandwidth or FP64 (dont know why they would double that in a console but..) or something similar.
     
  9. House

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    They said all your peripherals and games will work, so they are going the whole "ecosystem" approach.

    You own 400+ games digitally, +gamepass ,+the hardware stuff (wheel, headset, elite pad) then it takes a big push to move you over to the other side.
     
  10. rare

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    I’m just expecting it to have between 10-12 TFLOP based on what they are saying. Can’t wait to hear more about it. My Xbox One X feels pretty powerful to be fair, hardly seems ‘out of date’ even though it’s hampered by the age old CPU. The jump in CPU power alone will be pretty damn impressive.
     
  11. House

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    I'd agree with that, the 360 was creaking by the time the xbox one came out and games felt restricted in places. with companies like rockstar jumping through hoops to get GTA V to run.

    By comparison the Xbox One X runs everything with ease, now some of that is most likely cause its hamstrung by the original Xbox One but its not like the end of the 360 days thats for sure.
     
  12. Shawreyboy

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    MSoft have stated 4K Native 60fps gaming. No reason at this stage to believe that this isn't going to happen. If it doesn't what is the point of the new console as the One X happily chugs along at 4K 30fps in X enhanced titles.

    Shawrey
     
  13. Dredd

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    Gears 5 seems to be 4k60, will be interesting.
     
  14. House

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    And who exactly has a TV doing over 60hz @ 4k anyway? (not motionflow or some other BS either) not mass market that's for sure.

    Even PC monitors doing over 60hz 4k are still very expensive and edge cases.
     
  15. BGGLP

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    HDMI 2.1 will suddenly start appearing on all the new TVs from the next cycle to harness the demand from these new consoles. It’ll hardly be mainstream though due to the £££. I’ll see what the reality of 120fps is first though. Very doubtful that it’ll be doable without scaling the Gfx right down.

    My hope for these new machines is an eradication of pop-in in Gfx. Biggest criticism of the current gen in terms of losing immersion.
     
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  16. ic1male

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    Isn't the new Call of Duty running at nearly 4K with 60fps on PS4 Pro even in an early stage without optimization? Games like that could manage 4K 120 on the new consoles, probably.
     
  17. sparkymark75

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    And Sony aren't? The console doesn't make them a lot of money, they make their money from a slice of the game sales and the subscription fees.
     
  18. Shawreyboy

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    Me? I'm not made of money but have an LG c7. Yes it only has HDMI 2.0 but this happily supports 40K 60fps (and just about supports 8K 24/30) HDMI 2.1 offers no value to me as currently.

    4K is just about becoming mainstream now with some cheaper sets costing around £300 so 4K 60fps should be the golden standard for the next few years - if not the life cycle of the new console(s) as rumoured to be 2 different boxes a lite product and a more premium/ultimate version.

    Sony did state was running 4K 60fps on PS4 Pro (I would guess with some form of VRR and some clever engine trickery) so X1X should be able to maintain that fps more consistently than the Pro.

    Shawrey
     
  19. wwwebber

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    I wasn't talking about Sony and I did mention games :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  20. JUMPURS

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    It's not a hardware issue, it's the devs prioritise graphics over framerate. You could give devs a server farm to render on and say go wild and some would still just go for best graphics ever at 30fps rather than not quite so pretty at 60.