Promotion?

[Shikkaka]

Quick question really. When you get promoted within your current job, do you see this as a job move + payrise or just a job move?

The reason I ask is because a recent job has become available and was sold to me and a few of my colleagues in the same department as a promotion. We had the interview yesterday day and it turns out the pay is the same. We would be going into a more stressful job with more work to be done and yet there is no bonus in it for us.

Whats your thoughts?

 

[Vanilla]

Always go for a pay rise. Been in the same situation as you before twice in the last year and a bit.

Don't believe HR or management bull that they have no money, if you are changing jobs and taking on more responsibility demand more cash. Do not accept the 'take the job and we will sort it out later' line because they wont, you'll just get fed more bull.

THey need people to do a certain role. They have approached you. It will be cheaper for them to get you to do the role because training and hiring is time costing and expensive. Politely decline and say why!

Remember, often these people are bonused on keeping cost low.

 

[Luke]

Unless you see it as a good career progression opportunity, and a stepping stone to better things, then for no extra money I'd tell them to stuff it. (politely!)

However, I recently took on the role of my manager for no additional money, purely for the experience. I did this for about 3 months.
When another post came up at his level, I applied for, and got it. Had I not taken the extra duties, I'd never have got it.

It depends on what you feel may come of taking the position longer term.

 

[Shikkaka]

There are some opportunities within, but it is going to be a hell of a lot more work for us.

There is another factor which wouldn't normally stop me going for a promotion. I work with this older woman (her name is Debbie but we call her Debbie does Dallas ) who I sit next to now. She is senior to us but does the same job. She has also applied for this promotion and will almost certainly get it (there are 3 positions going). Now me and her don't exactely get along like a house on fire, there was a point where she would constantly single me out and from then on (when I complained about it and got her a good telling off) we just don't talk unless its work related.

I need to really ask myself can I bear to have no extra money, more work and be sat next to Dallas?! I know a few others are considering the same circumstances aswell. On the plus side, if she does get the job and I don't, she's gone...... FOREVER!

 

[bradbcam]

IF they offer you the position then i'd be inclined to ask for a payrise/review based on your current skills.

If they don't or offer the classic "later" line then set a time period, make sure you can go back to your old job and such.

That way if after 3 months all you're seeing of your house is your bed and they still say they can't offer you any more money then you can just go back to your old role

 

[Shikkaka]

The company itself is doing very well and making some kick ass money. We get updated with all this every quarter. Its not that they can't afford to pay us more at all. Promotions are going off all over the place all with rises except this one. Its very strange. From the 6 people that applied for it 2 already arn't going to bother with it.

 

[Burbleflop]

I had this discussion with my boss last year. I was offered a promotion but it didn't come with any pay increased. I told him that if he thought I was taking on managing an extra 8 staff and taking on more responsibility in the role then he could get stuffed.

 

[Sequoia]

If a "promotion" comes with extra work, extra responsibility and extra stress, it should have a reward attached. That reward is usually money but, as emailiscrap pointed out, there can be other reasons for taking it, such as gaining experience that gives you a leg up on a real promotion.

But, as a general rule, I'd expect to see extra workload etc rewarded, and unless it's agreed up-front, you're taking a chance as to whether it ever happens or not. Some companies and managers will keep their word, but it's increasingly being used as a way of getting more-for-less.

Ultimately, nobody can tell you how to handle this, because it comes down to your judgement of the ethics of the company and the managers making the offers/decisions.

 

[Buttons]

I took a promotion with no extra money.

The only reason in my case was that I was nearly at the top salary of my old job and near the bottom of my new one which gives me much more scope to increase over the coming years.

Any kind of management experience you can get is reward in itself as a proven ability to manage is gold-dust on a CV.

My thoughts.

 

[Shikkaka]

I guess i've gotta look into the future! If there is greater potential to get a rise and move forward quicker within the company than my current job, its worth the extra work for nothing to begin with.

I have just had a chat with my manager about it. She explained that at first it will be similar to the role I am doing now, just focused on one customer (probably explains no rise). As we get settled in the customer is going to pass more work over from their IT team which then MAY result in a rise.