R-7 1800X vs i7-8700K vs Threadripper > Gaming + Streaming/Video Editing

[Drazek]

Hey all,

I'm looking to upgrade from my current 4 core 6700K Skylake chip.

I've already decided I don't want a 4 core chip anymore, so the 7700K is out.
Also I don't feel like dealing with the supernova i9-7900X which runs as hot as the sun when overclocked...

However, I can't decide on which platform to go with for my use case...

I'm primarily a gamer, 90% of my time will be gaming, however I am also trying to get more into streaming and gaming video creation, so I need more than 4 cores, as I've already noticed FPS drops when recording video whilst gaming (BF1 gave me a 20FPS drop whilst recording during a match!)

I'm running 2x 1080 Ti's overclocked, and a fully custom watercooling loop and my default res is 3440x1440 (ultrawide), so i'm a bit beyond 1080p and 1440p, but not quite as high as 4k.

what are you opinions? what cpu would you go for if you were a gaming streamer after the best performance from your rig without compromising FPS when streaming?

granted, Threadripper is probably overkill. however I like the idea of 64 pcie lanes...

and is it worth waiting for the 8700K? it will no doubt have a much higher clock than the Ryzen and thus be better for gaming... but only 6 cores vs 8 on the 1800X? is 6 cores going to be enough?

Thanks,
Draz.

 

[Smffy]

I would remove threadripper from the list, it's really not what you want for your use. In most applications you will not feel the benefit of additional PCI lanes in say x16 not x8 on your GPUs.

The 8700 is likely to fall in to hotter than the sun, which titles are you intending to play? Many are not great multi threaded... the 1800x is a good option, allows you to update it probably next year with the same AM4 board as the socket is supposed to remain for a few years in to Zen 2. 8700 will probably win in many of the older titles, but in something like BF1 you'll see the 1800x flying.

Main thing really is older or current titles, some have zero intent of optimising for new CPU or Ryzen so your 'everything on ultra' isn't always transferable.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Two 1080tis gaming @ 3440x1440 whilst streaming and video editing/rendering is what Threadripper was made for.

 

[voidshatter]

You don't have to worry about delidding if you go for Ryzen. Ryzen should be of best value, and the ECC memory support might prove to be useful for longer video editing jobs, however you'll need some 3600C16/3400C14 memory modules to fully unleash the potential of the Ryzen performance, which means giving up ECC, and paying a premium for these Samsung chips. For future proofing, you might also take Thunderbolt 3 into consideration - if Ryzen ever gets Thunderbolt 3 in the future, then a motherboard upgrade may be required.

I would just wait for the 8700K numbers first, if I don't have to buy immediately. cpu-monkey expects the 8700K to be the best for single-thread performance and at the same time to match the 1700X for multi-thread performance.

If you go for AMD, then you'll probably get some optimisation issues for nVidia cards for some early version drivers/games. AMD CPUs works best with AMD GPUs.

 

[james_2k]

that 8700 single core perf is the same as my 7900 @4.8. not earth shattering. interesting to see how high it clocks though!

 

[Drazek]

I tend to play the latest and greatest titles most often, sometimes I litterally stop playing a pretty good game just because a new game's been released that I wanted to check out... my "need to complete" list gets longer ever month! - anyway I digress.
All kinds of games, from RTS to FPS to MMO, my youtube channel tends to focus on coop multiplayer games of a AAA graphics nature, but yes... usually 'newer' games are played rather than older games, I'm fairly sure my 2x 1080 Ti's are mucho overkill for older games these days.

I've been watching a few graphics comparison videos on the 1800X(OC) vs 7700K(OC), and the 1800X seems to keep up with the 7700K quite closely, sometimes even beating it at high resolutions... factoring in the streaming aspect which will probably gimp the 7700K, looks like the Ryzen 1800X may well be the winner here.

However there's still that question of the upcoming i7-8700K,.. I don't want to build out an 1800X only for the 8700K to come along and trounce it (and be find with streaming). *sigh*

But this is all completely ignoring the Threadripper beast! - I'm not on a budget here... I will be recording gaming footage and streaming at the same time, which sure the 1800X should be able to do fine.

... it feels so weird actually considering moving to AMD when I've been a die hard intel user for so many years!

 

[Drazek]

I would just wait for the 8700K numbers first, if I don't have to buy immediately. cpu-monkey expects the 8700K to be the best for single-thread performance and at the same time to match the 1700X for multi-thread performance...

Why is the 1800X single core Cinebench score lower than the single core Threadripper score?... weird.

 

[voidshatter]

I tend to play the latest and greatest titles most often

If this is the case, then for the reason I stated above, it's recommended that you get AMD CPU for AMD GPUs, and Intel CPU for nVIdia GPUs. That's the current ecology. I'd imagine that uploading and publishing your gaming videos to Youtube on Day 1 is important for the clicks. It might not be a good idea to fall for some early issues and wait for patches, even this doesn't always happen.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

If you're not on a budget, then I'd wait and see how the new i9's perform (i.e. 7920X and above), although I suspect they'll struggle to maintain decent boost clocks in multi threaded apps so you'll have to overclock (with all the power/heat challenges that brings on the x299 platform).

 

[voidshatter]

Why is the 1800X single core Cinebench score lower than the single core Threadripper score?... weird.

I was told it's due to quad channel vs dual channel. Ryzen's performance is very sensitive to memory, so it'd be a good idea to burn cash on memory chips.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Why is the 1800X single core Cinebench score lower than the single core Threadripper score?... weird.

Threadripper has a higher XFR boost - 4.2ghz on four cores (TR) versus 4.1ghz on two cores (1800X)

 

[elrasho]

If this is the case, then for the reason I stated above, it's recommended that you get AMD CPU for AMD GPUs, and Intel CPU for nVIdia GPUs. That's the current ecology.

 

[Drazek]

If this is the case, then for the reason I stated above, it's recommended that you get AMD CPU for AMD GPUs, and Intel CPU for nVIdia GPUs. That's the current ecology.

I have to admit, I know the general consensus is that AMD cpu's work best with AMD GPU's and therefore nvidia favours intel... however I've never really seen any real evidence that dictates this as fact? I mean, aren't GPU's a little CPU agnostic? like, as long as the CPU can handle the load... the GPU shouldn't care whether it's intel or amd surely? - of course I could be completely wrong here?

 

[james_2k]

im sure amd would like you to believe it!

 

[voidshatter]

I have to admit, I know the general consensus is that AMD cpu's work best with AMD GPU's and therefore nvidia favours intel... however I've never really seen any real evidence that dictates this as fact? I mean, aren't GPU's a little CPU agnostic? like, as long as the CPU can handle the load... the GPU shouldn't care whether it's intel or amd surely? - of course I could be completely wrong here?

AMD CPUs sometimes work better with AMD graphics cards, at least for some early version games/drivers. For nVidia graphics cards, maybe Intel CPUs could be a better choice for gaming (see posts like this).

 

[SiDeards73]

Isnt that 8700k only a 6 core CPU as well? i still think 8 cores is the minimum now really for Gaming and Streaming at the same time, AdoredTV showed Threadripper i think it was gaming, streaming, editing and uploading all at the same time, it was playing WoW but it was flawless.

If i was you? id get the Threadripper 1920X, while not the top end 1950X it still a beastly CPU, would give you decent gaming performance and allow you to stream and edit / upload all at the same time etc, no way you'd do that on the 8700K, you'd need the Intel 7900 for that i reckon.

 

[Drazek]

If i was you? id get the Threadripper 1920X, while not the top end 1950X it still a beastly CPU, would give you decent gaming performance and allow you to stream and edit / upload all at the same time etc, no way you'd do that on the 8700K, you'd need the Intel 7900 for that i reckon.

Yeah and I can't bring myself to buy the 7900 with all that heat and crappy TIM... :/

 

[Molesy79]

Yeah and I can't bring myself to buy the 7900 with all that heat and crappy TIM... :/

Sounds like you have already got a direction you want to go in, is money a factor here? Is there a rough cost you want to stick to?

 

[Drazek]

AMD CPUs sometimes work better with AMD graphics cards, at least for some early version games/drivers. For nVidia graphics cards, maybe Intel CPUs could be a better choice for gaming (see posts like this).

I've done a bit of digging in that thread and a few benchmark seaches on youtube, I'm still not conviced... Ryzen had optimisation issues with motherboard bioses at release, which have gotten better now and improved the performance on both nvidia and amd cards... also it's been a known thing that nvidia cards run better in DX11 than DX12... only now is nvidia improving it's performance in DX12 games.

This Article better investigates the whole "amd/amd nvidia/intel" argument: "So, are Nvidia GPUs limiting Ryzen's gaming performance? Well, we didn't find any evidence of that. In some DX12 scenarios, the 1800X performs better than the 7700K when paired with a RX 480 over the GTX 1060, but that doesn't prove Nvidia is handicapping Ryzen."

 

[Drazek]

Sounds like you have already got a direction you want to go in, is money a factor here? Is there a rough cost you want to stick to?

nope! I just wanted to hear some opinions on which platform other ppl thought would be best to go for in my use case

If anything, I think you guys have alleviated my worry about the core clock difference between AMD and Intel,.. I knew i was going to take an FPS hit by building for streaming regardless, I just wanted to mitigate that FPS hit as much as possible.

the 7900X isn't off the table yet,.. but I think i'd have to delid that thing if i were to go with it over the threadripper. I need to tame those heats!