R-7 1800X vs i7-8700K vs Threadripper > Gaming + Streaming/Video Editing

[james_2k]

I'm running mine non delidded, warm yes, but manageable and fast. and in games no warmer than anything else really

 

[voidshatter]

nope! I just wanted to hear some opinions on which platform other ppl thought would be best to go for in my use case

If anything, I think you guys have alleviated my worry about the core clock difference between AMD and Intel,.. I knew i was going to take an FPS hit by building for streaming regardless, I just wanted to mitigate that FPS hit as much as possible.

the 7900X isn't off the table yet,.. but I think i'd have to delid that thing if i were to go with it over the threadripper. I need to tame those heats!

I think if you buy binned 7900X from 8 Pack @ OcUK, they'd delid it for you. You get single-thread performance at the same time, without compromise. Of course, ThreadRipper will also last you a long while and save you some bucks.

 

[TallPaul1878]

I'd go Threadripper if your budget allows it. If you are considering the Intel platform anyway then yeah go Threadripper. I don't think the 8 core 1900X is out yet but that would also be a great option and it's £200 cheaper than the 10 core model.

It sounds like your heart is set on a HEDT set up so if you can afford it then go for it. I assume you are going the whole hog with 4k monitor so you'll mostly be GPU limited anyway.

 

[8 Pack]

Why would you ask this question here.

How many of these guys own both to even pass comment. I would say none.

The stuff in these threads is just regurgitating the same old information.

Just wait and see instead of speculating on unreleased products. Until you have sone concrete information then it's all speculation and still does not put you in a good purchasing position.

 

[eyetrip]

Why would you ask this question here.

How many of these guys own both to even pass comment. I would say none.

The stuff in these threads is just regurgitating the same old information.

Just wait and see instead of speculating on unreleased products.

And how busy would these forums be if people didn't talk about unreleased products?

Maybe you are right in that he could wait, but for gods sake man, would it hurt you to be polite?

 

[james_2k]

I have to be honest, i understand why he would say it like that, because its true, no-one listens to anyone else, just keeps repeating their arguments and nothing goes anywhere. And most arguments are based on 'what i read in some review' and not actual experience. To be fair its why i don't really talk about Ryzen etc much because i have never used it, i generally keep to (futile though it seems to be) correcting some of the wild and mental ideas some have about x299, which i do have experience with. Must get frustrating if you work here!

 

[gavinh87]

I have to be honest, i understand why he would say it like that, because its true, no-one listens to anyone else, just keeps repeating their arguments and nothing goes anywhere. And most arguments are based on 'what i read in some review' and not actual experience. To be fair its why i don't really talk about Ryzen etc much because i have never used it, i generally keep to (futile though it seems to be) correcting some of the wild and mental ideas some have about x299, which i do have experience with. Must get frustrating if you work here!

I'd agree with you if it wasn't for one of the worlds best overclockers posting videos like this.

Or a very respected reviewer posting this

Now who do I believe random people on the internet who try to justify their purchases or people like this?

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I have to be honest, i understand why he would say it like that, because its true, no-one listens to anyone else, just keeps repeating their arguments and nothing goes anywhere. And most arguments are based on 'what i read in some review' and not actual experience. To be fair its why i don't really talk about Ryzen etc much because i have never used it, i generally keep to (futile though it seems to be) correcting some of the wild and mental ideas some have about x299, which i do have experience with. Must get frustrating if you work here!

I remember when the 290/290X came out and everyone was complaining about the noise and the heat. Then a lot of people complained that the people complaining didn't even own a 290/290X. Now people are complaining that the Skylake X chips are hot and they probably don't own them either, but now there seems to be less complaining about not actually owning the product. I guess the rules are different for AMD products (you're not allowed to complain about AMD products).

 

[james_2k]

I don't justify anything, i feel no need to. However i have been monitoring my VRM temperatures and have noticed nothing anywhere near the limit of them on my board. So for me i haven't experienced this. If i do at some point, ill say it. I have already said it runs hot and has limited my OC without delidding to 4.8. So i have no issue in that, i'm lucky enough that the cost of the cpu etc wasn't anything to effect my lifestyle in the slightest and have no desire to White Knight for intel. But some off the bullsh* you read here from the 'red team' is laughable.

I remember when the 290/290X came out and everyone was complaining about the noise and the heat. Then a lot of people complained that the people complaining didn't even own a 290/290X. Now people are complaining that the Skylake X chips are hot and they probably don't own them either, but now there seems to be less complaining about not actually owning the product. I guess the rules are different for AMD products (you're not allowed to complain about AMD products).

All hail the AMD! Neither companies care what we say, or think, or whatever, they just want our money, simples. Some seem to treat it as you insulting their dog or whatnot.

 

[Thekwango]

And how busy would these forums be if people didn't talk about unreleased products?

Maybe you are right in that he could wait, but for gods sake man, would it hurt you to be polite?

Don't waste your time. He can't help himself. I've said before OcUK need to put a leash on him but I doubt they will/can even though I suspect his attitude towards the forum users will be having a negative impact on their brand.

 

[8 Pack]

This is not an attitude at all.

I am saying that no one can answer a question on an unreleased product they did not try. Just because I say this straight up is not an attitude at all. Its fact.

No one who knows is aloud to say in public on important stuff like IPC, OC headroom, Cache OC, Temps, cooling, Imc or show performance. So how can they give educated buying advise?? Its that simple. Wait till the product is launched. Try yourself... In my eyes only way to know if a product is for you.

Roman and Tom showed unique but possible end user configurations and testing that may cause the VRMs to overheat. This is good information to be honest. Asus APEX, XTREME and ASrock OCF don't have any of these issues under AVX 512 loads. But if your not using avx 512 with oc and vcore then other options are fine.

 

[TallPaul1878]

I'm fine with 8 Pack coming in and saying what he thinks.

It's not his fault that the forums are populated by **********. Some people on here ARE talking utter twaddle and arguing over the price of fish.

He's right, none of us can comment on the new Intel stuff because it's not out yet. We can only give our opinions and they will all differ based on our own experiences.

 

[Ste]

There is some stuff out there showing the single threaded performance of the 7700k at 5ghz being important for allowing dual 1080ti cards to stretch their legs.

I have a single 1080ti and I see quite a few situations at 3440x1440 where it’s not maxed out. Some are obvious engine limitations and others I’m pretty sure a 7700k would have helped.

There is a user here, can’t remember who, that went from ryzen back to a 7700k because his SLI 1080ti were not running well. I’d be cautious jumping into ryzen or threadripper for gaming on those GPUs. You can also be 100% confident that 4 threads for streaming and gaming is going to suck so the 7700k is out.

All of which, if it were my money, would have me waiting for the 8700k reviews. If the IPC is there and the two cores extra are enough to help the streaming then it’s going to be the best way of forcing your GPUs to work their hardest. If budget isn’t an issue I’m sure you can buy one delid for a 50 quid or so premium and that’ll be fine temps wise with a decent AIO.

If you can’t wait I’d go 1800x, 3200c14 mems. Best guaranteed single thread IPC under 8 core and best likely upgrade path.

 

[Smffy]

This is not an attitude at all.

I am saying that no one can answer a question on an unreleased product they did not try. Just because I say this straight up is not an attitude at all. Its fact.

Except it's a pretty bad attitude when read on a forum, coming from someone who represents the brand it's generally not a good idea to keep openly calling your customers idiots.

The rest of your post is what you should have said in the first place, instead you pretty well said 'everyone here is a retard why are you even posting'. Editing what you posted isn't going to help...

 

[Drazek]

Alright, alright guys, lets not start a cat fight in this thread.

I asked the question mainly because I -wanted- to hear other ppl's opinions, whether they're false, biased, or on point.

it doesn't matter to me that the 8700K isn't out yet, we can still speculate on it's performance... I'm 90% sure you can take the current 7700K, slap 2 more cores onto it and use that as an "estimate" for the 8700K's performance with a margin of error.

There is some stuff out there showing the single threaded performance of the 7700k at 5ghz being important for allowing dual 1080ti cards to stretch their legs.

I have a single 1080ti and I see quite a few situations at 3440x1440 where it’s not maxed out. Some are obvious engine limitations and others I’m pretty sure a 7700k would have helped.

There is a user here, can’t remember who, that went from ryzen back to a 7700k because his SLI 1080ti were not running well. I’d be cautious jumping into ryzen or threadripper for gaming on those GPUs. You can also be 100% confident that 4 threads for streaming and gaming is going to suck so the 7700k is out.

All of which, if it were my money, would have me waiting for the 8700k reviews. If the IPC is there and the two cores extra are enough to help the streaming then it’s going to be the best way of forcing your GPUs to work their hardest. If budget isn’t an issue I’m sure you can buy one delid for a 50 quid or so premium and that’ll be fine temps wise with a decent AIO.

If you can’t wait I’d go 1800x, 3200c14 mems. Best guaranteed single thread IPC under 8 core and best likely upgrade path.

This however is quite informative, I was 50/50 on going with Ryzen/Threadripper but if they're going to hamper the performance of my x 1080Ti's that I've litterally spent 3 days rebuilding my watercooling system and applying liquid metal for then screw that! - I think i'll wait for the 8700K benchmarks (and hopefully streaming benchmarks) from some of my favorite tech youtubers and then decide on whether I should get the i7-8700K or the i9-7900X.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Alright, alright guys, lets not start a cat fight in this thread.

I asked the question mainly because I -wanted- to hear other ppl's opinions, whether they're false, biased, or on point.

it doesn't matter to me that the 8700K isn't out yet, we can still speculate on it's performance... I'm 90% sure you can take the current 7700K, slap 2 more cores onto it and use that as an "estimate" for the 8700K's performance with a margin of error.



This however is quite informative, I was 50/50 on going with Ryzen/Threadripper but if they're going to hamper the performance of my x 1080Ti's that I've litterally spent 3 days rebuilding my watercooling system and applying liquid metal for then screw that! - I think i'll wait for the 8700K benchmarks (and hopefully streaming benchmarks) from some of my favorite tech youtubers and then decide on whether I should get the i7-8700K or the i9-7900X.

One of tech YouTubers,was play WoW on his rig,at the same time as streaming WoW and then transcoding a WoW video at the same time,and that was on the 16C TR CPU.

I would also point you to Nvidia themselves doing a Battlebox build with Ryzen(it was on their website) and even tweeting this when TR was launched:

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-welcomes-amds-x86-comeback-endorses-threadripper-amd-high-fives-back/

So I am quite interested to see how this plays out TBH,as Intel and Nvidia are hardly friends(Intel basically screwed them over a while back).

I would guess the Core i7 8700k will be the fastest Intel CPU for gaming out there,but the extra cores of the Core i7 7900K will mean it should drop less performance if streaming,encoding,etc.

Having said that,couldn't you just build another PC for streaming??

 

[Drazek]

Having said that,couldn't you just build another PC for streaming??

I could... I have all the parts lying around for another system... (I should probably get round to putting them into an ITX build or something, rather than just let them lay around rot.)

But that means having another PC hooked up and running just to act as a streaming/recording proxy... and I don't really have the 'space' in the house to be doing that just yet, I don't have a dedicated computer room yet and my youtube channel audience is practically non-existent at the moment...

I did stream some Destiny 2 PC beta last night, however I could tell my CPU was struggling as the stream struggled running at 60FPS and kept dropping out, had to knock it down to 30FPS - UDF2 Gaming YouTube Channel if you're at all interested.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I could... I have all the parts lying around for another system... (I should probably get round to putting them into an ITX build or something, rather than just let them lay around rot.)

But that means having another PC hooked up and running just to act as a streaming/recording proxy... and I don't really have the 'space' in the house to be doing that just yet, I don't have a dedicated computer room yet and my youtube channel audience is practically non-existent at the moment...

I did stream some Destiny 2 PC beta last night, however I could tell my CPU was struggling as the stream struggled running at 60FPS and kept dropping out, had to knock it down to 30FPS - UDF2 Gaming YouTube Channel if you're at all interested.

A streaming box does not need to be that big - it saves you the hassle of having to rejig your current setup with the water cooling. Remember an overclocked Core i7 7900X or TR CPU can kick out a lot of heat,so you need to make sure your cooling setup can handle it. No doubt a Core i7 8700K will be the best gaming CPU,but again will 4 more threads be enough,especially if base clockspeeds are lower under sustained load,and we still don't know how overclocking will fare with it.

It also gives you another small PC as a backup too!!

 

[RSR]

I'm in the same boat as Drazek, id rather a all in one PC which can meet my requirements rather than extra PC for streaming. I've been following this very closely and the i9's and TR are idea for this both have positive and negative points.

 

[~>Dg<~]

what 8pack is saying should be heard.he has the experience knows what he is on about.

get what suits YOUR needs . some just game dont stream edit whatever.some do edit and stream.thats different.there is segments and products for each situation .do your homework and buy what you can best afford.be happy with it.

gaming wise the 7700k is still the best gaming cpu for just gaming alone.now a new cpu with extra cores and the same top performance is entering the market think about it.for just gaming intel is the best option.