R-7 1800X vs i7-8700K vs Threadripper > Gaming + Streaming/Video Editing

[humbug]

what 8pack is saying should be heard.he has the experience knows what he is on about.

get what suits YOUR needs . some just game dont stream edit whatever.some do edit and stream.thats different.there is segments and products for each situation .do your homework and buy what you can best afford.be happy with it.

gaming wise the 7700k is still the best gaming cpu for just gaming alone.now a new cpu with extra cores and the same top performance is entering the market think about it.for just gaming intel is the best option.

It is but you can't ignore price for performance, its £150 more expensive than a Ryzen 1600 and only 10% faster in games, I agree if you just want the fastest gaming CPU at any cost the 7700K is it, but for £150 less you get 90% of its gaming performance and better performance in anything outside gaming.

The Ryzen CPU's just can't be ignored.

For streaming and video editing, as well as gaming, which is what he is asking about, the best CPU is the Ryzen 1700.

 

[~>Dg<~]

no one is ignoring ryzen.they are great value.if you got highend cards for eg your not going to be buying value then though are you ? you want the cpu that is the better performance option.as said you want what suits your needs the best.

 

[humbug]

no one is ignoring ryzen.they are great value.if you got highend cards for eg your not going to be buying value then though are you ? you want the cpu that is the better performance option.as said you want what suits your needs the best.

His needs are video editing, streaming and gaming, you would not use a 7700K for streaming, it can't do it, it stutters all over the place if not grind to a halt, it also take too long in comparison to encode his videos.

He doesn't want a 7900X because they run too hot, they are much slower outside of gaming than the Threadripper CPU's anyway, even in gaming the performance is the same.

So its either a Threadripper 1950X or a 1920X or if he doesn't want to spend that kind of money a Ryzen 1700.

Both are perfectly capable gaming CPU's, in the real world every bit as fast as the 7700K and faster for every-other work-flow he needs it for.

Its nothing to do with value, you want value the G4560 is good value, the 7900X is also good value (cheaper than the 1950X but also not as good), AMD are simply offering the best all rounders in terms of performance, which is what he is looking for.

 

[james_2k]

...but then again you would say that


example, the 7900x is faster in things which dont use all 16 cores of the 1950x, which is quite a few things still. future that may change!

and the 7740x is better for gaming than the 7700k, price not considered.

 

[humbug]

...but then again you would say that


example, the 7900x is faster in things which dont use all 16 cores of the 1950x, which is quite a few things still. future that may change!

There are a few things where low threaded workloads are more prevalent, but if you are looking for a CPU that is a good match for a majority of such workloads what you are looking for is not a 7900X or 1950X, what you are looking for is a traditional low core count high Mhz CPU, like the 7700K.

Saying the 7900X is better because its better at low threaded workloads is true in that sense but its also not what any of these CPU are for so its a bit of a tangent.

 

[james_2k]

not really, its all a balance, sure if you want to go all in on high thread stuff only, then you want more cores. But if you use mostly lower thread count things (but above 4) then there is a 10 core intel ready to go. As gaming moves more to 8 core stuff, which is likely as that how the consoles are threaded then the 8-10 core intels will be a great option for gaming.

 

[~>Dg<~]

i dont get what you dont get humbug about the i7900x it destroys the threadripper in games. crysis 3 30 fps up alone. its not even close.once its clocked its generally faster in most things.thats why its £200 more.7900s are fine as long as you clock them right and have decent cooling only once at the top end could you have issues.same again whatever suits your needs.go for.

7740x clocked like some do destroy most ingaming.aswell.it just depends what suits your needs.

ill give ya streaming with a 7700k isnt ideal humbug but thats about it.

 

[james_2k]

oh gosh, i see his trademark screenshot showing the 'average 1080p benchmark result' winging its way to this thread now. run!

 

[humbug]

Don't make blanket statements and then complain about evidence which disproves it ^^^^ like a ####.

not really, its all a balance, sure if you want to go all in on high thread stuff only, then you want more cores. But if you use mostly lower thread count things (but above 4) then there is a 10 core intel ready to go. As gaming moves more to 8 core stuff, which is likely as that how the consoles are threaded then the 8-10 core intels will be a great option for gaming.

If that were true Intel wouldn't be cannibalising their Xeon line to give you 12, 14, 16 and 18 core HEDT CPU's, there would be no use for them... i mean they don't even have ECC memory support so what's the point in them if workflow didn't make use of 10 cores +?

I'm sorry but to me you look like you're just trying to twist reality to suit your arguments, nothing or much uses more cores than the CPU you bought, right? we just so happen to be limited to 10 cores, right?

Wrong, very very wrong.

 

[james_2k]

what?? yes, like i said if you want to run high thread count apps then TR is better, no question. and Intel want a slice of that, hence the higher core count parts coming. But that doesn't change the fact that for lesser core stuff, which games will be soon, that the 7900 is great, it clocks high and runs them faster than the TR. and it is cheaper than the 1950x..

Id see it as

4 thread workloads - 7740x
6-12 Threads - 7900x
12 (ish) plus - TR, until the new intels come out.

 

[humbug]

My issue with what you did is suggesting that we are mostly capped at 10 cores for HEDT applications, which is utter nonsense. ^^^^^

You can't have it both ways, the 1950X is a faster HEDT CPU because it has more threads. if you only had use for 8 to 10 core you would buy the Ryzen 1700, or the 1900X when its out.

i dont get what you dont get humbug about the i7900x it destroys the threadripper in games. crysis 3 30 fps up alone. its not even close.once its clocked its generally faster in most things.thats why its £200 more.7900s are fine as long as you clock them right and have decent cooling only once at the top end could you have issues.same again whatever suits your needs.go for.

7740x clocked like some do destroy most ingaming.aswell.it just depends what suits your needs.

ill give ya streaming with a 7700k isnt ideal humbug but thats about it.

30 FPS up in Crysis 3? so its 200% faster in games than a 7600K is it?

The 7600K is slightly faster than the 1600 in this, slightly, in parts where the CPU isn't actually doing anything, where the CPU is, as you can see the 7600K at least is only half as fast as the 1600.

Look at the blue line tank as you look out at the draw distance. real CPU performance testing...

Intel are good at light workloads, that's why Intel fanbois only ever like to compare light workloads, the high Mhz love light workloads, (make sure it doesn't use too many threads) when the going get hard they fall flat on their face compared with AMD.

 

[james_2k]

30 FPS up in Crysis 3? so its 300% faster than a 7600K is it?

your maths is suspect.

edit; and thinking about it, that game clearly uses more cores, but i doubt it uses 13+. so guess what would be faster than a TR in it..

 

[~>Dg<~]

heres crysis 3 fps for same benchmark 165.4 with 7900 at stock so overclock 30 fps plus.

and for reference here is a x1800 @4ghz

 

[humbug]

Yeah.. 0 draw distance in that screenshot ^^^ easy work for the CPU's, better for high Mhz. even then the difference is not a lot.

The 7600K is slightly faster than the 1600 in this, slightly, in parts where the CPU isn't actually doing anything, where the CPU is, as you can see the 7600K at least is only half as fast as the 1600.

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your maths is suspect.

edit; and thinking about it, that game clearly uses more cores, but i doubt it uses 13+. so guess what would be faster than a TR in it..

Core for core the gaming performance on X299 and X370 is the same... two 6 core 12 thread CPU's.

 

[james_2k]

My issue with what you did is suggesting that we are mostly capped at 10 cores for HEDT applications, which is utter nonsense. ^^^^^

You can't have it both ways, the 1950X is a faster HEDT CPU because it has more threads. if you only had use for 8 to 10 core you would buy the Ryzen 1700, or the 1900X when its out.

i haven't suggested that at all.. But games (for one) will very very very rarely use more than 10. And why would i buy a slower cpu for that? Going forward, 8-10 cores in games, maybe more going way forward even further, but all these chips will be obsolete then.

 

[humbug]

i haven't suggested that at all.. But games (for one) will very very very rarely use more than 10. And why would i buy a slower cpu for that? Going forward, 8-10 cores in games, maybe more going way forward even further, but all these chips will be obsolete then.

This is just regurgitating the same stuff over and over again.... its already been addressed here...

His needs are video editing, streaming and gaming, you would not use a 7700K for streaming, it can't do it, it stutters all over the place if not grind to a halt, it also take too long in comparison to encode his videos.

He doesn't want a 7900X because they run too hot, they are much slower outside of gaming than the Threadripper CPU's anyway, even in gaming the performance is the same.

So its either a Threadripper 1950X or a 1920X or if he doesn't want to spend that kind of money a Ryzen 1700.

Both are perfectly capable gaming CPU's, in the real world every bit as fast as the 7700K and faster for every-other work-flow he needs it for.

Its nothing to do with value, you want value the G4560 is good value, the 7900X is also good value (cheaper than the 1950X but also not as good), AMD are simply offering the best all rounders in terms of performance, which is what he is looking for.

This is one of those people that doesn't just play 350 FPS E-Sports games, he wants to stream and do some workflow stuff as well. Read his opening post before you run head first 7700K into every post....

Since the 7900X isn't much faster in video encoding, no faster in games and is also the same in streaming performance i would suggest the Ryzen 1700 given its one quarter the price, don't you agree?

 

[james_2k]

Yeah.. 0 draw distance in that screenshot ^^^ easy work for the CPU's, better for high Mhz. even then the difference is not a lot.


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Core for core the gaming performance on X299 and X370 is the same... two 6 core 12 thread CPU's.

getting bored of seeing this picture with a few games averaged.. As ive said, a million times, as games get more threaded the 8/10 core intels will be better, they just have more performance per core.

This is just regurgitating the same stuff over and over again.... its already been addressed here...

It isnt, but you clearly cant see it. Nevermind, over the years ive been here, signed up and not, the one name i remember is yours. because it was always the one which popped up in every single thread regarding amd vs X. nvidia, intel, doesnt matter, you are there posting your opinion as fact.

I just hope you have stock in them because its bordering on insane

 

[humbug]

30 Games is more than a few ^^^

getting bored of seeing this picture with a few games averaged.. As ive said, a million times, as games get more threaded the 8/10 core intels will be better, they just have more performance per core.

It isnt, but you clearly cant see it. Nevermind, over the years ive been here, signed up and not, the one name i remember is yours. because it was always the one which popped up in every single thread regarding amd vs X. nvidia, intel, doesnt matter, you are there posting your opinion as fact.

I just hope you have stock in them because its bordering on insane

Now you really have gone off on a tangent....

The author of the thread is looking for a Gaming - Streaming and Workflow CPU, given there isn't a huge performance difference between something like the 7900X (which he said he doesn't even want because 'reasons') and the Ryzen 1700, while it costs a quarter its price.... is one of the things i suggested. You used that to bang on about the merits of the 7900X vs Threadripper which then expanded into all sorts of other aspects none of which have anything at all to do with the authors questions or with anything i advised him.

Do you want to give him different advice to what i gave him? do that, don't use it to start arguments with me and attacking slides because they are incontinent to your arguments.

 

[jigger]

The 7700K is a decent enough CPU but it's stupid expensive, the socket is obsolete and it's it biggest attribute won't hold out for long. Ryzen is just a much better option.

 

[james_2k]

Now you really have gone off on a tangent....

The author of the thread is looking for a Gaming - Streaming and Workflow CPU, given there isn't a huge performance difference between something like the 7900X (which he said he doesn't want because reasons) and the Ryzen 1700 while it costs a quarter is price.... its one of the things i suggested. you used that to bang on about the merits of the 7900X vs Threadripper which then expanded into all sorts of other aspects none of which have anything at all to do with the authors questions or with anything i advised him.

Do you to give him different advice to what i gave him? do that, don't start arguments with me.

Its cute you think i'm the one who started arguing, as far as i was aware, this was a discussion. An 8/10 core cpu is a good match for the OP, and the intel ones are more expensive, for sure. but they are better than AMD for non full threaded applications. (per core, faster, no debate on that) And going forward, this in my opinion, will become more obvious. Next console generation things may change again and 20 core cpus will be in order. but for the next few years..
Incidentally, i wouldn't recommend a 7700k for the OP, he mostly (90%) games, and with some video creation. could either go cheap and buy Ryzen or expensive and go 8/10+ intel or AMD. Fact is though, for his '90%' usage, an Intel will be better*.

*Pure performance standpoint, cost not withstanding. Naturally