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Racism and You.

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Mr Jones, Jul 25, 2006.

  1. Mr Jones

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    I'm a Singaporean student living here in England, ethnically I'm Chinese/Orient.

    I'm just wondering how much abuse/racial slur do you recieve? Who from and why? Because personally, I've recieved countless of abuse due to my ethnic origin and though they're from a handful, I can't help but wonder, is it just me?

    Just not half an hour ago, I was cycling home and was shouted abusing words by the passenger of a White Van, targeting my ethnic. I wasn't blocking the road (was one of those roads with 1.5 lanes wide, was cycling as close to the left as possible.) It begs me to wonder, what's their point?

    Discuss.

    p/s this is not just about White Van Drivers. It's just a scenario that happened fresh.
     
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  2. Zefan

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    They're morons.
     
  3. Raikiri

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  4. Bear

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    Im ethnically Chinese but was born in England and I had a little bit of abuse when I was younger but havent had any for quite a long time.
     
  5. ballistic

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    in england anyone in a white van is a ******* moron
     
  6. Mr Jones

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    I personally wouldn't say that, my step-dad's a "hydro-engineer" ;) in a white van... Been out working with him before, he's placid as a pond.
     
  7. cleanbluesky

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    Racial insults tend to be rife where insulting is rife. There was a lots of light-hearted racism when I was at school.

    But having said that, since I have left school we have seen persistent race rioting, a kid got stabbed either yesterday or today because of race tension etc. etc. etc.

    How much you recieve depends on a lot of things. I had a friend who got lots of abuse for dating a Bangladeshi girl. He was white, and what he recieved for his troubles makes being insulted by a white van man pale into insignificance.

    It also depends on what you classify as 'racial abuse'... if I were to apply to the police and an equally qualified black candidate was admitted in my place becasue he was black, is that not abuse?

    In short, its happening everyday. Not everywhere though.
     
  8. ballistic

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    well most of them are idiots who have low class jobs and who don't know how to drive either
     
  9. Mr Jones

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    This topic isn't about white van drivers or that single scenario. Was just an example fresh off. I do sympathise your friend, because racism can run both ways as well (minority abusing majority).

    I keep reading on PM Blair emphasising on "Multiculturalism" but there seem to be a total lack of "Multicultural Understanding" - apart from Food, no one understand other ethnic culture, including Ethnic Minority's understanding of the English culture.
     
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  10. Borden

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    I'm Caribbean/English and i've often received racial abuse for no apparant reason.

    I was out with some friends once and we were walking through a car park and some complete strangers pulled up in a car, wound down the window and shouted 'Beat up the black guy' to my friends.

    Sometimes i get strange 'looks' from people as if they don't trust me becasue of the colour of my skin. It only normally happens when i'm walking through more well off residential areas and people look at me as if i'm out for trouble or as if i'm not meant to be there.

    I guess it happens to most people with a different ethnic background to the country they're living in. I've just learnt to put up with it.
     
  11. dirtydog

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    Being of a different race doesn't imply being of a different culture and I think the two are often confused or incorrectly used interchangeably.

    I wish Blair would shut up about multiculturalism, which nobody was ever asked to vote on, and I don't believe works. Multi-racialism on the other hand can work fine.
     
  12. Mr Jones

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    I brought "Multiculturalism" up because it doesn't only imply race and ethnic but of others as well such as the Scotts and the Irish.
     
  13. cleanbluesky

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    Not sure we can neccessarily separate the two. I wonder whether culture goes hand in hand with race, it would be a possibility considering in this experimental melting pot we are in culture seems mostly to be divided down lines of race
     
  14. Rich_L

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    Hehe, it's hard enough trying to pin down a distinct culture, let alone attempting to link it to the murky world of distinct races...not to mention that the definitions of both are so blurred that they are used almost interchangeably these days, whether correctly or not.

    Mind you, a quick wander round outside my office reveals lots of different races (or at least people with varying external visual characteristics) suited and booted and working in and around the City and generally engaging in the same culture as me, so not sure how that goes with race defining culture.
     
  15. cleanbluesky

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    This isn't a problem for most people. In areas of greater London with higher levels of ethnic minorities, the residents find little confusion in seperating themselves along disctinct racial lines. The OP idenitfied himself as a having racially distinct identity in this thread. So did I.

    I assume you know what race you are Rich, otherwise you'd probably be in the smallest minority given how important and obvious it seems to be the vast majority of people.

    Also, when a person has meaningful contact with people of other races - beyond stepping outside their office, satisfying themselves that they have seen people of a different race with a simple glance while paradoxically maintaining that the concept of distinct race is 'murky' - that person learns that race and culture are very relevant. I have dated women of other cultures, so have my friends and while I do not regret it I am sure that we would both testify that the concept of race/culture is socially tangible and something that can definately effect an individual.
    In fact, out of all the people that I know of that have done the same, it has also taken them to the realisation that they have to assert their identity further. I don't suppose this is neccessarily the same for all though.
     
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  16. ojste

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    i get this sometimes, people shout stuff at me whilst going past in cars etc. must make them feel good i guess. all totally unprovoked and people i dont know

    my record is getting 3 seperate sets of abuse in one walk home, people screaming past in a car and shouting chiiiiink
     
  17. Saberu

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    To be fair though the racism goes both ways. I'm not targetting you specifically with this but a lot of ethnic foreigners tend to stick with their own kind when it comes to socialising etc. Don't get me wrong though I'm not justifying racism at all i'm just explaining that there are different kinds of racism than the verbal insult kind.

    I'm surprised people still have to put up with direct insulting racism these days.
     
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  18. Mr Jones

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    That's very true, I personally socialise with both but lean more to my English/Afro/Asian friends because they make up majority of my College and University mates, also (off topic) Orients can be too gossipy among social groups - telling one of them something and tomorrow everyone knows about it.
     
  19. andywalsh

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    Dr Jones, really sorry to hear about your experience. Being white English I do not generally get abuse relating to my race. However, being a cyclist I get loads, so I suspect that you will see the worst when on your bike.

    I am disappointed but not surprised that it has happened to you.
     
  20. theleg

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    Was probably more to do with you being a dirty cyclist than asian :o I shout abuse at cyclists as often as possible..

    Its just idiots who insult based on race...

    I do wonder about the people who yell out chink though...What do they expect? Youre suddenly gonna go 'HOLY CRAP IM CHINESE'...I mean its like calling a man a man...