Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

[JediFragger]

I think counting pre-order sales as the several thousand enthusiasts who will pay anything for the fastest card against real sales of a card that people don't want to preorder is pretty much meaningless.

I think Gibbo has relationships with Nvidia themselves and Nvidia partners and publicly saying "stock levels stick, this was a joke launch and Nvidia clearly can't come remotely close to supply demand".... is something that would get him fired.

Not the least, they've presold thousands of cards, questioning stock or Nvidia's ability to supply in the short term will mean a lot of refunds.

Lastly, every salesman everywhere always claims everything is the best selling product.... it's like salesman spiel 101.

From what I gather, nVidia are outselling AMD by 9 to 1 at the moment

 

[AlamoX]

From what I gather, nVidia are outselling AMD by 9 to 1 at the moment

it's actualy 3 to 1, otherwise they wouldn't have 23% desktop and 37% mobile.
but brace yourself a storm is coming

 

[bru]

If people think that NVidia didn't know the performance of the RX480 as soon as the samples were sent out and tested, then they are being rather nieve.

As for NVIDIA'S response to the RX480.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18735295

 

[brawl3r]

From the other thread almost every card slipped from initially being told available on 27th may(before that time) then 3rd June, then 17th June and now 1st July.... but exactly what makes that July 1st promise any better than the others?

Also selling cards is one thing, the massive majority appear to be pre-orders, if they haven't shipped because no one has the cards to sell they don't count as sales... not least because multiple people have cancelled.

So no, most dates seem to be early July, not next week and there is no proof that date is any more real than any of the others.

Then again we move to the fact that GIbbo works for a retail store of computer parts, what benefit would it be to say there is no stock and they are selling poorly when trying to get people to desperately buy cards that aren't in stock and have no official realistic due dates? The way to encourage sales is to say "these are selling so quickly and so brilliant that everyone is lapping them up", you panic people on the fence into ordering thinking they might lose out if they don't. Regardless of the truth, it's fairly unlikely Gibbo would admit sales were bad and stock was terrible if that was true because there is no benefit.

More to the point, $650-750 cards selling better than $300 cards... absolutely do not believe that.

This, I do not believe for 1 second, they are out selling more than the 970 lol.

 

[Mauller]

Total garbage

You have no idea what the specs of small vega will be and yet you make the above prediction.

As to HBM memory I would caution anyone considering buying a card with it to have a very good look at the reviews before you part with your money.

I don't think it is a coincidence that GDDR5X has become the memory to use instead of HBM.

Kaap with more of his ridiculous rhetoric on the demerits of HBM. As many have said before, fiji performance was nothing to do with HBM, get over it.

The only reason GDDR5X is being use in place on GP104 1080's is due to it being cheaper to implement, as you do not need to worry about interposers etc. Nothing to do with HBM's performance.

 

[D.P.]

nop i believe vega 10 will be Titan/Ti competition around 700-1000$ range, if it outperforms Titan, Nvidia might push with a new branding and much bigger chip like GP100(gaming version) which i would guess could come at much higher price than a 1000-2000$.
god forbid if vega 10 outperforms Titan, what do you think Nvidia will do ? just ride the rest of 2017 with lower performing card ? or vega outperforming titan is that much of inachievable goal ?

GP100 will never be used for gaming.

And your price speculation is hilarious.

 

[AlamoX]

GP100 will never be used for gaming.

And your price speculation is hilarious.

im not saying GP 100 itself, but a chip of its size let's call it GP101

anyway what is your answer to my question ?
what will nvidia do if Vega 11 is faster than 1080 ? to me Titan/Ti is the answer, they sure as well wont just sit there waiting for vega 10, because AMD could just delay it since they have the performance crown.
what will nvidia do if vega 10 shows up couple months after Titan/Ti and beat it ?
i know it's impossible, but just imagine this succession of events happen, what would be the response from nvidia ?
and i know pricing is exagerated but if that card happen, it would be at 1.2k+ dollar for sure, or you think they would knock down Titan/Ti price ?

 

[$h@d0w]

My wife's son is saying that AIBs will release with 8+8 power and 1666MHz core clock (DOOM bundle).


Seriously, these leaks and rumours are getting out of hand. We have people on Chiphell mounting MSI Lightning coolers on their cards to get around NDA?

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1601437-1-1.html

Then they go on youtube and stream Overwatch?

http://imgur.com/BR68el8

What the hell?

 

[SiDeards73]

Dat 1607mhz clock doh? Haha that has to be fake

 

[AlamoX]

Dat 1607mhz clock doh? Haha that has to be fake

thats 48% overclock over base clock lol.
was there any GPU in the past that got 50% more on air ?

 

[Greebo]

I suppose this must make Gibbo the biggest Nvidia fanboy on the forum

Pre sold 5000 cards, shipped 200

 

[AllBodies]

thats 48% overclock over base clock lol.
was there any GPU in the past that got 50% more on air ?

Didn't the HD 7950 get very close to that?

Stock of 800 MHz and could get just shy of 1200 MHz?

 

[Lokken86]

Didn't the HD 7950 get very close to that?

Stock of 800 MHz and could get just shy of 1200 MHz?

Some of them, with voltage, could get to 1300mhz. Thats a whopping 61%. It was very rare though.

 

[humbug]

thats 48% overclock over base clock lol.
was there any GPU in the past that got 50% more on air ?

Well, its 27% above its boost clock.

 

[r7slayer]

thats 48% overclock over base clock lol.
was there any GPU in the past that got 50% more on air ?

Isn't the 980Ti base stock speeds 1ghz? mine can bench at 1560 on stock volts which would be a 56% overclock and this is on air. For gaming i dial it down to 1540 as i did have a driver crash in a game but not had one since! Still touching wood

 

[Tolemac]

When I see the independent reviews I will make my mind up then. There is just no point speculating until we get real facts.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

RX 480 opened shroud:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4oothc/rx480_upskirtopen_shroud_photo/

 

[Toss3]

Dat 1607mhz clock doh? Haha that has to be fake

14nm FF? Could be AMD held the clocks back because they didn't want another Hawaiii/Fiji. Sapphire basically already confirmed the 1500Mhz so there is that.

 

[Rroff]

thats 48% overclock over base clock lol.
was there any GPU in the past that got 50% more on air ?

Not a very usual story with the full spec core for any given size but there have been some 1-2 on the AMD side and the nVidia 470s could - but then nVidia massively underclocked them out the box. The 5900xt back in the day was a similar story.

 

[Kaapstad]

GDDR5x is used on literally one card... yet has become the memory to use, even though HBM2 is on two cards(two supposedly available.... but no one has actually seen a working GP100).

This is a fact, if 1080 used HBM to achieve it's bandwidth, it would be in the region of 150W instead of 180W and it would be dramatically harder for AMD to beat it's performance/w with a gddr5 RX480.

If Nvidia wanted to give 1080 512GB/s of bandwidth, what with it losing ground to Fury X and 980ti at 4k compared to 1080/1440p, it would have to increase power by likely another 20W or so to achieve it, HBM wouldn take an extra 5W to do that.

Using an older architecture, the reason the Nano could beat Nvidia on performance/w against a newer architecture, was purely by using HBM.

Whatever the power limit on GP102 is, Nvidia will run into the situation where the memory will use a lot more power so the gpu core can use a lot less power within a reasonable single card wattage. Again HBM allowed a Nano to match a newer architecture in performance/w with an older one. Now think Vega, newer than Pascal realistically with HBM vs Pascal with gddr5x which uses significantly more power at any given level of bandwidth. AMD is going to have a HUGE advantage.

We also both have some supposedly leaked specs, it's funny because when you were using GP102/GP104/anything Nvidia leaked specs it's fine, but leaked Vega specs is a no because you say so.

From GP106 > GP104 die size, from most generations gaps in die sizes, from RX480 die size it's incredibly reasonable to presume small Vega will be a bigger die than GP104, and based off supposed architectural efficiency of Polaris without HBM, it's extremely naive to believe a larger Vega core with HBM won't beat a 1080.

Leaks put it as a circa 4000 shader part, it will probably be 350-400mm^2 both because of that shader count, the need to have a decent gap between it and RX480 die size/shader count, the need to have enough shaders to utilise HBM2 bandwidth and because leaks put it at 4000 shaders. All of that is errm... an idea of what Vega's specs are, and all of those ideas would have it comfortably ahead of the 1080 and what's more is if it uses HBM2, it can probably do that in the same power as the 1080, if it uses gddr5(x) it will likely use a bit more power but maybe still have better performance/w.

So I was right in my previous post when I said garbage !!!!

You have absolutely no hard facts whatsoever and yet you are saying small vega will beat the 1080.

Perhaps you can tell us how many graphics points small vega will score on Firestrike Ultra if you are so sure.

I myself don't have any idea what the performance of future AMD cards will be which puts me in the same boat as nearly everyone else.