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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

Questions for Humbug and co. What stopped you from venting about this before the rumours of it getting Fury/Nano level? Pretty sure Greg has already shown that you would have liked a 390x matching card with overclocking room on the 17th Humbug. He's shown you right up. What changed?
 
In a nutshell, the 480 is still the same 480 and at $200, a perfect card for those wanting a decent 1080P card or even something to use with VR. It will be around the 390X performance or even slightly faster but we will have to wait for that. Humbug got himself all hyped up and Gibbo put him straight and Humbug has gone into rage mode and now deeming the card to be useless, even though he did say if it was competing with the 390X, it was a great card.

Take from that what you will but I have had a good chuckle today.

I can see me recommending this card for anyone who wants a PC for their kids (I have bit a couple of those last year) or even the adults and a fantastic entry card.
 
Sorry if I can't count here but I am trying to work out the equivalent score on FireStrike Ultra. I know this is the wrong way but here i go.

MSI G 980Ti Stock ST Ultra Score - 4477
Divided by
MSI G 980Ti Stock Lud Score - 240712
Multiplied by
RX480 Lud Score - 139074
Equals = 2586.6 Possible in and around FS Ultra score, which is just a little short of Videocardz 2856 leaked score.

I know scaling comes into play but as we don't have anything else to go by at the moment then why not lol.

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now in a fairy land world where the above is true then look at price to performance based on current and guessed pricing.

£400 - 1070 FE Stock FireStrike Ultra - 4290 - 10.72 points per £
£375 - 1070 KFA OC Edition - I expect a higher score but lets say 4290 - 11.44 points per £
£230 - 480 FireStrike Ultra - 2586 - 11.24 points per £

That would make the aftermarket 1070 better price to performance. BUT remember, this is a theoretical and based on theory.

That 1070 score was a founder edition card, you buy the a OC Aftermarket KFA for 375 which one would assume it faster producing an even high price to performance.

Now in the real world, lets hope the 480 is a lot better than that.
 
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Scramz said:
Sorry if I can't count here but I am trying to work out the equivalent score on FireStrike Ultra. I know this is the wrong way but here i go.

MSI G 980Ti Stock ST Ultra Score - 4477
Divided by
MSI G 980Ti Stock Lud Score - 240712
Multiplied by
RX480 Lud Score - 139074
Equals = 2586.6 Possible in and around FS Ultra score, which is just a little short of Videocardz 2856 leaked score.

I know scaling comes into play but as we don't have anything else to go by at the moment then why not lol.
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It's a decent start for a comparison but are you sure you did it at the same resolution and similar cpu etc?

If so then it looks a bit disappointing.
 
flowrider99 said:
Maybe thats what Gibbo wants you to believe so you will pay double for a 1070 or triple for a 1080.:eek:
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That is a real problem though. Not the RX480 which is a great little card.

What is my upgrade path? There is no way I'm getting ripped off by Nvidia. What other options do I have? I have to wait for Vega :mad:
 
Gux said:
Yup pretty much, that's why they are going to go under before this decade finishes. They have looked like amateurs for decade in the CPU space, now this amateur form has carried over to they GPU division.

Their GPU market share now must be less than 20% yet they bring 3rd revision of their 290 card and call it a day. Small Vega is months away and when it comes with will probably just barely match the 1070/1080 that will be on the market for months. I wonder who is going to buy small Vega when most enthusiasts have already spent their money on Nvidia.

AMD can count their lucky stars that Nvidia is pricing their cards so high. If they didn't AMD would be dead and buried. Still don't matter, they will just go down more slowly. Their Zen CPU will also disappoint, no way these amateurs will outperform Intel.

You can only last so long in the technology space without breakthrough products. Really wanted to buy AMD GPU, but going with Nvidia. No point even waiting for small Vega.
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So you're writing off their next CPU based on nothing very much and deriding their performance in the CPU space despite going up against a much wealthier rival spending loads more on R&D holding a massive process advantage who've been caught significantly breaking competition law. I'd say still having a presence and doing OK in the low budget space with a hyped next release isn't bad given that starting position, but perhaps you expect them to dominate. I wish they'd not struggled so much with their modular attempt - whatever the reasons for it failing you can hardly accuse them of not trying to create breakthrough products with it redefining the view of cores for better or worse rather than just creating "intel-clone" architectures.

They've had better performance/dollar in GPUs through most of the price ranges for quite some time now barring a few brief blips so their hardware hasn't been the problem there - it's been perception/marketing. I hope you enjoy your NVIDIA card, if you're wanting the fastest now it's the right choice. This doesn't make AMD's 480 a bad card, simply not right for you. If you are buying in the 480's price range then this just makes you someone to jump to conclusions given it's not even out yet so there is little point discussing further as you've made your mind up already.
 
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humbug said:
So the best we can argue for its price vs performance is that its roughly on a par with a 390X?

Did i fall into some sort of reverse dimension?
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Are you out of your mind, people are saying the 390x was priced at £350, the RX480 will be priced at around £205-210(fairly)... how in the sweet jesus is this that it's price performance is the same as 390x... just how. Yes, you fell into some sort or alternate dimension, one in which you take things people say, don't understand any of it and come to the conclusion that the RX480 sucks.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Are you out of your mind, people are saying the 390x was priced at £350, the RX480 will be priced at around £205-210(fairly)... how in the sweet jesus is this that it's price performance is the same as 390x... just how. Yes, you fell into some sort or alternate dimension, one in which you take things people say, don't understand any of it and come to the conclusion that the RX480 sucks.
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Just leave him be, he's just saying the same thing again and again in slightly different words no matter what others say or do.
 
Gregster said:
In a nutshell, the 480 is still the same 480 and at $200, a perfect card for those wanting a decent 1080P card or even something to use with VR. It will be around the 390X performance or even slightly faster but we will have to wait for that. Humbug got himself all hyped up and Gibbo put him straight and Humbug has gone into rage mode and now deeming the card to be useless, even though he did say if it was competing with the 390X, it was a great card.

Take from that what you will but I have had a good chuckle today.

I can see me recommending this card for anyone who wants a PC for their kids (I have bit a couple of those last year) or even the adults and a fantastic entry card.
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What did Gibbo say to him to trigger him like this?
 
humbug said:
I'm thinking the reference one is probably limited, stock at 1266Mhz is should still do 1400 - 1500Mhz but AIB's with better coolers and more power would clock better.

2304 Shaders @ 1266Mhz rumoured Fury-Nano performance makes perfect sense to me, its 'at least' 390X performance but GCN 4 has a lot of enhancements over GCN 1.2

Performance wise i think the reference ones should clock to 980TI - Titan-X.

AIB ones, beyond that.
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Gibbo said:
Do not create false hype, its going to be a great card but no matter what you do to it I am afraid it won't be rivalling a 980Ti or Titan X.
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CREATIVE!11 said:
What did Gibbo say to him to trigger him like this?
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Basically that. A couple of times Humbug had speculated that the 480 could be faster than a Titan X and whilst it would be amazing if true, it isn't going to happen.
 
humbug said:
Most people do not believe Nvidia's DX12 performance is poor but what most people do believe is that AMD's driver support is.

A £200 to £300 970/80 level card from AMD is a soaking wet squib, they are competing directly with Nvidia with little to convince anyone of anything.

I would buy a 970 over a 480 because the 970 is a proven card.
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You are ridiculous. You should sit back and read some of the stuff you have been writing. Only a few days ago you were saying that if it was 390 performance that it would a be a great card. Gregster even quoted you on it, but of course you ignored it because it makes you look silly.

Your arguments and comments are getting more and more absurd. From completely overestimating the performance of your 970 to increasing the price of the 480 and decreasing the price of the 390/390x. Claiming nobody will buy it because it doesn't live up to your expectations.

Grow up. This card isn't for you, it was never for you. It has been always targeted at the mainstream 380/960 market. And if it performs as good as a 390/390x then it will be preforming exactly as it should be after a die shrink. That is, performing as good as the card a tier above it last generation. Anything faster than that is a bonus.

Your price/performance argument doesn't hold any water either. The 390 and 390x are heavily discounted prices as they weren't selling.

Why would people buy a 970 or 390 now? Even if the 480 performs exactly the same? But of course you made one of your usual flip flop arguments. A few posts ago you said that nobody wants 4GB now, then this post you would buy a 4GB card over an 8GB card. With the 480 You get a card that runs cooler, uses less power, newer architecture that is going to improve with drivers. And you would buy a 970? hahaha no, you wouldn't and if you did you would be a fool.

And you are completely underestimating what AMD has done with this card. Even if it only performs at 390 level it will still be an amazing achievement. It's going to get the same levels of performance using around 150w less power. That doesn't mean a lot to enthusiasts but this card isn't for them.

And lastly, We still don't know the performance of the card, we don't know anything more than we did yesterday morning. You are taking the comment of a person under NDA as gospel. He can't give any indication about performance levels. So while he might be telling the truth, we don't know.

At least wait until we actually know something before you go all end of the world doom and gloom.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
What did Gibbo say to him to trigger him like this?
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Gibbo said rather strangely and inaccurately that it won't be great and don't bank on it overclocking, just like the 1080 overclocking can't be relied on.

I'll point the flaw in that logic again. The 1080 reviews came out, no one said before the reviews that the cards would overclock like crazy on AIB versions but users came up with the idea that all AIB cards with another pci-e connector will magically overclock higher. The rumoured 1080 overclocking wasn't leaks or known information but hopes that turned into expectations.

The supposed RX480 overclocking is coming from industry leaks, not end users wishes so saying expecting it to overclock is just the same as expecting the 1080 to overclock.


From every indication, the RX480 is like a Nano, and the RX 480 OC'd editions will be like the Fury X. RX480 is being released to be as efficient as possible, not to get the best performance possible. That is what the leaks are saying in effect. The 1080 has no reason to compete for peak performance/watt, it's a $700 card people only care about the performance of. RX480 will sell in the millions to OEMs and DOTA type gamers, internet cafes type places for gaming in Korea/China. The primary buyers of these cards care heavily about quieter lower power good enough performance for a given usage. AMD needs to cater the cards base specs to the biggest customers, these will sell 99 out of 100 to OEMS, not enthusiasts. Enthusiasts have the option of buying them and pumping up the power usage and performance with it.

That is the indication we get, this is industry leaks and multiple people hinting/confirming similar information.
 
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