Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

[h4rm0ny]

Not true at all! They is still loads people rocking older GPUs even if the 970 did sell well. Not everyone upgrades every year. They is still loads people rocking 600 series from Nvidia and 7000 series from AMD.

Highend and above is a niche market, compared to the mass

Absolutely. I have a 285 I bought when that came out. I don't buy high-end cards, £200 is around my top end. The 480 might come in a little above that but it's probably going to near double the performance of what I have and even the 470 would be a significant upgrade. And if you go outside of this forum, there are millions of people with the same attitude and budget.

 

[Rroff]

Decided im going to probably skip the 480 and the first Vega and just wait for the big Vega next year, in the meantime im going to console myself with a 1440p 144hz screen

Just have to resist buying 2 x Aftermarket 480's if they get decent reviews hahaha

Best thing I ever did was buying a 1440p high refresh screen with G-Sync in my case.

 

[SimBy]

Makes sense. Buy a super expensive monitor that you cant properly power and then later on buy a cheap crossfire setup that will be ill-supported and give you terrible frametimings.

It's his wallet he can do what he wants. I see lots of people buying GTX960 instead of 380X or waiting for 480X, somehow thinking they got a great deal.

I don't come at their face about how stupid that is.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Typical AMD, not being funny but we need some ****ing benchies and quick time.

How is it AMD's fault how long this thread is? They were clear about when the NDA was since the end of last month.

 

[SiDeards73]

It's his wallet he can do what he wants. I see lots of people buying GTX960 instead of 380X or waiting for 480X, somehow thinking they got a great deal.

I don't come at their face about how stupid that is.

I have an 290 Tri-X, the games i play run 60fps + on my 1080p panel, going to a Freesync screen should keep me in the Freesync range, im not against dialling down a few fx to keep a steady framerate and the Freesync will help that also.

Only play the Division lately and it runs fine on my current setup, yeah i'll have to dial it back on a 1440p screen but im sure the Freesync will help keep it nice and smooth.

 

[WeSbO]

That is a popular benching tool in Asia, and it was live on the stream with no photoshopping. I think that stands as the most proof of performance we have had.

From what I have gathered, (been looking for a couple a couple of hours even on google.com.hk). Yes Ludashi is a popular benchmark tool in asia, for GSMs (android version). The references concerning pcs do exist but are very few and far between. Could you show us any references of it being a popular benching tool in Asia ?

 

[Panos]

Typical AMD, not being funny but we need some ****ing benchies and quick time.

Yes you ARE funny (and I do not use other word) by stating what is known and obvious since forever. Nothing before 29/06

 

[faceman123]

Yes another DOA card from AMD

 

[FoxEye]

I can see the rival fans gloating now that some rumours of less than 390X performance is coming through. If it is only 390 level then it will indeed be disappointing but theoretical performance says it should be 390X level at least.

Yup that,s what we're preparing for... another 390. Its actually amazing that theyve only achieved 390 perf. They could have done this with a shrink and nothing else. It means all the improvements theyve made have been channelled into power reductions.

Also the pool of oeople for whom a 290/390 is ab upgrade is shrinking year on year... If they keep releasing 390s they are going to have nobody left to sell them to, lol.

 

[AllBodies]

Yup that,s what we're preparing for... another 390. Its actually amazing that theyve only achieved 390 perf. They could have done this with a shrink and nothing else. It means all the improvements theyve made have been channelled into power reductions.

Also the pool of oeople for whom a 290/390 is ab upgrade is shrinking year on year... If they keep releasing 390s they are going to have nobody left to sell them to, lol.

This is what confuses me. SURELY it's faster than a 390, because as you say they could have just shrunk the 390 and nearly halved its power.

And they'd have got higher clockspeeds out of the process too. So you'd have a ~170W 390 clocked at 1300 MHz or something.

 

[Seanspeed]

It's his wallet he can do what he wants. I see lots of people buying GTX960 instead of 380X or waiting for 480X, somehow thinking they got a great deal.

I don't come at their face about how stupid that is.

It's always been my stance that people should spend their money how they want to. I've gone at lengths for that even here in this thread when people were antagonizing anybody who wanted to buy Nvidia still.

But I will say something if somebody wants to *brag* about how great their system will be for what it will cost, and more than that, I really want to warn people against multi-GPU setups where possible, as I think they are nearly always poor value.

Absolutely though, if somebody is certain of what they want and is informed of what they're getting, I would never in a second stand in their way or try and dissuade them. Not my style.

 

[SimBy]

Yes another DOA card from AMD

Why would a guy with dual Titan Xs dwell in a thread about mainstream 230mm2 GPU?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Don't worry I predict I will come back to this thread in a few hours and it will be more AMD is doomed speak!

Called it at 1PM.



Plus,melmac made a good post about all the false concern:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29660139&postcount=5814

You are ridiculous. You should sit back and read some of the stuff you have been writing. Only a few days ago you were saying that if it was 390 performance that it would a be a great card. Gregster even quoted you on it, but of course you ignored it because it makes you look silly.

Your arguments and comments are getting more and more absurd. From completely overestimating the performance of your 970 to increasing the price of the 480 and decreasing the price of the 390/390x. Claiming nobody will buy it because it doesn't live up to your expectations.

Grow up. This card isn't for you, it was never for you. It has been always targeted at the mainstream 380/960 market. And if it performs as good as a 390/390x then it will be preforming exactly as it should be after a die shrink. That is, performing as good as the card a tier above it last generation. Anything faster than that is a bonus.

Your price/performance argument doesn't hold any water either. The 390 and 390x are heavily discounted prices as they weren't selling.

Why would people buy a 970 or 390 now? Even if the 480 performs exactly the same? But of course you made one of your usual flip flop arguments. A few posts ago you said that nobody wants 4GB now, then this post you would buy a 4GB card over an 8GB card. With the 480 You get a card that runs cooler, uses less power, newer architecture that is going to improve with drivers. And you would buy a 970? hahaha no, you wouldn't and if you did you would be a fool.

And you are completely underestimating what AMD has done with this card. Even if it only performs at 390 level it will still be an amazing achievement. It's going to get the same levels of performance using around 150w less power. That doesn't mean a lot to enthusiasts but this card isn't for them.

And lastly, We still don't know the performance of the card, we don't know anything more than we did yesterday morning. You are taking the comment of a person under NDA as gospel. He can't give any indication about performance levels. So while he might be telling the truth, we don't know.

At least wait until we actually know something before you go all end of the world doom and gloom.

 

[nitram100]

This thing is gonna flop. The longer we don't have any real benchmarks, the more people speculate and expectations rise. Then it's released and it's as powerful as a 290 with less power draw, everyone loses their **** lol.

 

[mahius]

And yet all the information that's being released/ leaked is saying the same thing.

Against that, all you have is hope. "I hope all these leaks are unreliable and wrong and that the 480 is somehow amazing. It can't be 390 perf. It must be miles better than that!"

And then it gets released and it isn't.

Apologies, but I've been on the 'its 390 perf' wagon all along myself. I'm just trying to work the numbers and they don't look too nice since:

In todays stream they used the Ludashi benchmark the the 480 graphics score was 13.9K. To put that into prospective the GTX 970 stock gets just under 16k and 980Ti Stock 24k+.

Yeah, that's what I meant when it was disappointing or unreliable. In the charts with % performance comparisons, 980ti is 73% and 390 is 56%. 73/56= 30% better performing 980ti over 390. The 980ti should have been around 19k in those benchmarks.

Lesson learned... ignore wierd Chinese benchmarks.

I genuinely hope there is. It would be good for competition and for the buyer to have a decent choice of what to go for

I hope so too. More choice and more competition = best for the consumer.

So, the 1060 had better:

• have Fury-Nano performance at stock
• overclock all the way up to 980ti performance
• cost no more than £250

Anything less than that and it's an absolute total disaster, because these are reasonable expectations, right?

1060 over £200 would be taking the mick... it's like the 1070 being well over what the 970 costed at launch. At the mainstream price bracket, every penny counts. The 960 almost wasn't worth it's price due to the competition providing slightly better performance at the same value.

They need to keep these 'mainstream' cards priced below £200. Performance may change, but what people are willing to pay is less likely to change. We saw it with the 1070 where there was plenty of moaning about £350+ prices.

Let's face it at £229 for the 8GB, if it's no faster than a 970/980, it'll be a tough sell.

It's quite simple really. If you have a $200 budget for a GPU. What do you buy?

Both are reasonable statements... except that the answer to the 2nd is a 4GB RX480. So it doesn't quite counter the previous statement. And this is what I mean. Perfromance may change, cards may release... but most people's budgets (at the mainstream price bracket) won't magically increase by a few dozen quid, just to cater for a new GPU.

I remember this was just as crazy last year. A lot of doom and gloom over the 300 series being rebrands. The only difference is that this time (exact date) last year, the new cards were out and we had benchmarks.

 

[Hotwired]

How traumatic, a date is given and actually waiting til that date is beyond the capacity of some people.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This thing is gonna flop. The longer we don't have any real benchmarks, the more people speculate and expectations rise. Then it's released and it's as powerful as a 290 with less power draw, everyone loses their **** lol.

More false concern - see how it took Humbug to start his pages of flip-flopping so his mates could come and state AMD is dooooooomed in excitement!!!

Earlier in the day I called it and it was like clockwork. So make up performance figures,overstate it,despite loads of information to say otherwise,ignore every other reasonable expectation and when the OTT expectations don't happen feign false concern for pages and pages hence thrashing the thread in the process.

 

[Gerard]

Called it at 1PM.

Sorry but Mystic Meg could have predicted what this thread would become, a Nostradamus you are not (and he was about as accurate as Meg as well)!

 

[FoxEye]

This is what confuses me. SURELY it's faster than a 390, because as you say they could have just shrunk the 390 and nearly halved its power.

And they'd have got higher clockspeeds out of the process too. So you'd have a ~170W 390 clocked at 1300 MHz or something.

Right. So on one hand with the imorovements they made to the arch, they could have had lets say 390 +50% at 170w.

Instead, they used the increased efficiency to have 390 perf at -70% power.

Because 390 perf is all you need, you see. So all they could do after having that epiphony was to lower power draw

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Sorry but Mystic Meg could have predicted what this thread would become, a Nostradamus you are not (and he was about as accurate as Meg as well)!

I was being sarcastic - all the false concern when most of us said it would be a R9 390X/GTX980 closer to £200 to £225 MONTHS AGO.

Apparently that was fine for yonks,but all of a sudden it is not fine now a week or so to launch.

So in this thread,all I have seen is the following:
1.)Buy a GTX1070
2.)Buy a GTX1060
3.)GTX970= close to GTX980TI
4.)RX480 is a fail since the GTX970 is close to GTX980TI and hence it needs to be that fast for £200,ie,nearly half the price of the £365+ GTX1070 now and only 10% slower.

So according to some,an overclocked GTX970 is all you need as it is almost a GTX980TI and hence not far off a GTX980TI/GTX1070.