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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I was being sarcastic - all the false concern when most of us said it would be a R9 390X/GTX980 closer to £200 to £225 MONTHS AGO.

Apparently that was fine for yonks,but all of a sudden it is not fine now a week or so to launch.

So in this thread,all I have seen is the following:
1.)Buy a GTX1070
2.)Buy a GTX1060
3.)GTX970= close to GTX980TI
4.)RX480 is a fail since the GTX970 is close to GTX980TI and hence it needs to be that fast for £200,ie,nearly half the price of the £365+ GTX1070 now and only 10% slower.


So according to some,an overclocked GTX970 is all you need as it is almost a GTX980TI and hence not far off a GTX980TI/GTX1070.
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You forgot the arguing over what a paper launch is. That's been an integral part of this thread, and arguably the best bit too.
 
FoxEye said:
Right. So on one hand with the imorovements they made to the arch, they could have had lets say 390 +50% at 170w.

Instead, they used the increased efficiency to have 390 perf at -70% power.

Because 390 perf is all you need, you see. So all they could do after having that epiphony was to lower power draw :p
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Another way of looking at this is it would just be a rubbish tease.

Assuming their efficiency gain scales linearly, it means they COULD have made a card as fast as the 1080, drawing ~180W, but they decided to just make a ~110W card for efficiency reasons...

I mean, if they could do 390 performance at 50W that would be a huge achievement. BUT I also want them to make ~150W, ~200W, etc. class cards as well. I don't care if your card is super efficient if it's also limited to low power.
 
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I dont understand how people are struggling with this, maybe they just look to slate off a technology company because they find it amusing somehow, the mind boggles

Its very basic stuff, the company announce a date and on that date it will be released with no information before from said company

Also, the product is a mid range part, it always has been and always will be, people can blow it out of proportion to disappoint themselves or slate it because its not as fast as a high end card from another manufacturer because they have some kind of mentally unstable agenda but I have no idea why, since E3 its been blatantly obvious that the 480 is for people who want to upgrade to 390/290 level for £200

People already at that level of GPU who want AMD will just have to wait with the only slither of hope being AIB's and the $299 price bracket but personally I'm happy to accept the inevitable and wait for Vega
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there


Sorry to burst bubbles guys but I hold 980Ti in a very high regard. Maxwell was and is incredible.

Do some of you realise how powerful and truly fast 980Ti is? How overclockable they are?

980Ti absolutely batters a 980, then it overclocks like an absolute banshee on top of that, they rape a 980 and even beat Titan X in games.

Even the 1070 struggles against an overclocked 980Ti, its a very good card. If some of you were genuinely expecting AMD's mid-range part to compete with NVIDIA's flagship at half the price then your deluded.

Maybe just maybe in some chosen games a highly overclocked RX-480 might get close to a bone stock reference 980Ti, but never beat it and once a 980Ti is overclocked its bye bye as they overclock like demons.


If RX-480 performs around 980 with twice the VRAM, less power usage at a much lower price I think AMD have a great card on their hands. :)
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Gibbo said:
A 970 overclocked is nowhere near a 980Ti buddy, I have no idea what your smoking but a 970 overclocked gets nowhere near a stock 980Ti, for gameplay and fluidity. A single 980Ti beats 970 SLI, particular when overclocked.

Seriously your either think 980Ti is slower than it is or your trying to create false hype, which is it?

Also lets remember there is no single stock clock 980Ti on the market, the reference cards had a boost clock by NVIDIA of 1075MHz, but even those boosted to around 1200MHz out the box with no OC. They absolutely slaughter a 970. The only time a 980 OC beat a stock 980Ti was when stock 980Ti had its boost clock reduced to 1000MHz for testing purposes. All 980Ti hit 1450-1550MHz with reasonable comfort.

I've said it before and will say it again, 980Ti can beat 970 SLI, it slaughters a 980 and even rivals the 1070 when overclocked to beyond 1400MHz. Hell even in benchmarks it is still beating the 1080.

The 980Ti is a flagship botty kicking GPU, even the 1080 loses to it in some benchmarks, it is no lightweight, so please stop under-estimating it.
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Gibbo then said he expected to sell 100s of them on launch day too.


So that is no spun into the RX480 totally being rubbish.

He is correct - most GTX980TI cards not only boost out of the box higher than the reference cards which are running lower clockspeeds.

Look at the last few TPU reviews of the GTX980TI.

Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti XtremeGaming 6GB

35% faster than a Fury:

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_980_Ti_XtremeGaming/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

ASUS GeForce GTX 980 Ti Matrix 6 GB

37% faster than a Fury:

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti Lightning 6GB

32% faster than a Fury:

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Ti_Lightning/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

So,that is the point,the RX480 could be EVEN Fury level and overclock another 10% and still be slower by nearly 20% or more when compared to a retail GTX980TI over a range of games,ie, not be near it.

OFC I think it will be around R9 390X/GTX980 level,but even above that it won't catch a GTX980TI.

At least wait until the cards are reviewed first before we state the card is a flop. We even don't know its actually gaming performance let alone its real street price.
 
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FoxEye said:
It's a new generation on a new process. You think the best they can do is give us the same price/perf we got with 28nm?

You don't expect a new generation to do better?

Oh sure, it's small and uses less power. If that's your sole consideration then they've done well, I guess.
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Well if that's your criteria, tell it to Nv, 28nm to 16 nm finfet they improved perf/£ by ... well they haven't (980 or 980ti vs 1080 pricing as of 21/06/16). AMD looks to be around 20% if it matches a 390x. Note: The 390X which has also already undergone price adjustment downwards as the market re-equilibrates to the NV release.

1080 is ~166% the performance of the 980 but costs ~180% the price. 1070 is 155-165% perf of the 970 and .... ~180% the price.

(rough back of the cerebral envelope maths - aka slightly more accurate than CEO maths)
Prices:
1080 £540
1070 £360
980ti £400
980 £299
970 £200

390x £275
480 £210

Nv Perf:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/24.html

Mayh3M said:
Nvidia look good now don't they? They almost doubled the performance of the GTX 970 and 980 respectively and increased the prices of their Pascal counterparts by £100.

The problem is that many of the AMD fanatics crucified Nvidia for their prices over the last month, so they NEED the RX 480 to deliver massive gains on price to performance, otherwise they end up looking foolish if they try to defend AMD. That's why people like humbug have completely turned on this card. By their own logic they have to.
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No they should have broken the chain and reassessed their opinion based on reasonable assumptions.

Also see above on perf/£, and on your optimistic 970/980 scaling.
 
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Keep expectations real and your feet firmly planted and you won't be disappointed. Also keep in mind that Vega isn't far off and is aimed at the enthusiast end (us). I will say though, if I needed a GPU, I would certainly be watching this thread with interest.
 
Gregster said:
Keep expectations real and your feet firmly planted and you won't be disappointed. Also keep in mind that Vega isn't far off and is aimed at the enthusiast end (us). I will say though, if I needed a GPU, I would certainly be watching this thread with interest.
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At least we can take some solace in knowing we'll see some decent performance per £ increases by the time large pascal and vega are out.

Otherwise large pascal and vega would have to be £800-900, and somehow I doubt that.
 
Gregster said:
Keep expectations real and your feet firmly planted and you won't be disappointed. Also keep in mind that Vega isn't far off and is aimed at the enthusiast end (us). I will say though, if I needed a GPU, I would certainly be watching this thread with interest.
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No I wont except it! The RX480 will be the best GPU on the market and be equal to the 980Ti and any other card that costs £150+ more to buy! I have inside knowledge from a guy at AMD! Trust me!

Seriously though when is Vega out?
 
spikerules said:
No I wont except it! The RX480 will be the best GPU on the market and be equal to the 980Ti and any other card that costs £150+ more to buy! I have inside knowledge from a guy at AMD! Trust me!

Seriously though when is Vega out?
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Rumors suggested October and no reason why not but officially 2017.
 
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Have to ask again: Where is this Member's Market subforum? I cant find it.
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