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Ok, I have two female rats and while they were out today I noticed one of them was bleeding. On closer inspection she was bleeding from her uterine parts or very close to there.
Looking online and I think she may have either an infection or possibly a tumour or ovarian cyst. She's a young rat (less than a year).

I was just wondering if anyone knew what the chances it would be of a tumour or if anyone has had this happen to any of their rats and what they did and how any treatment affected them?

I'm taking her to the vet tomorrow but I was just want to know what I can expect.

Thanks.
 
Do rats menstruate? Has it been short with you, causing arguments, nagging for no reason and generally getting on your ****?
 
Not a clue mate, sorry.

But just a thought, as they give birth to live young do they not menstruate?

edit: lol Scuzi
 
Scuzi said:
Do rats menstruate? Has it been short with you, causing arguments, nagging for no reason and generally getting on your ****?


sounds liek the wife

that time of the month
 
There are quite a few things that could cause this but I have never owned female rats so haven't experienced it firsthand.

Have a look here.

I do know that as with any small animal, surgery can be risky, but I also have a healthier happier boy who had his nuts chopped off a fortnight ago.

If it is a tumour it may be worth having her spayed instead of just having it removed. You might also want to start checking her for mammary tumours as from what I've read on the fancy rat forum they sometimes seem to go together.

I hope you have a good rat vet - the first vet I went to was useless and I knew more than she did. There is a thread in that forum with lists of vets so if in doubt it might be worth a read.

I hope she does ok


Edit: Did a quick minute search on fancy rats and here are some threads on the same thing: One two three four
You can probably be more specific in your search should you need to.
 
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Thanks Takhisis. Had a look on the forum it's good to see that there is treatment for what she has.
Took her to the vet this morning, he's started her off with some anti-biotics which will last for 5 days. I just gave her the first dose through a syringe. It's so hard making a rat do what it doesn't want to! The stuff smelled horrible so I an only imagine how it tasted!
In case it leads down this road can I ask how much it was to get your boy neutered since I'm assuming it would be roughly the same price?

Thanks.
 
Cmot cost £38.38 to be denadded, the highest quote I had from a different vet was £50.

You've probably been given Baytril as the anti-biotic?
If so it is a very bitter tasting drug. I have found the best way to to put it on a little cube of mederia cake.
I know others from the forum suggest digestive biscuits or yogurt or nutrical but the premise is the same, only problem is I now I have give them all a piece so the bit with the meds on goes to the right rattie else there are punch ups for it :rolleyes: :D

Really hope your little one is ok - keep me updated? :)


Edit - just out of curiosity how much meds are you giving a day? Its just thinking about it 5 days seems pretty short, most courses I've had are minimum 7-10 days and thats 0.2ml 2 or 3 times a day depending on what the problem is.
 
i hope your rat turns out ok. Ive owned 3 dows for a few months now which are my first rats. Me and my GF have owned gerbils before and after they passed away (3 year which is good for a gerbil) we......I mean i wanted to try looking after some rat as i was told they were cleaner and much more intellagent (spell?). We hate cats and agree a dog whouldnt get the time it needs.

We looked ages for some young rats and decided to get dows as my GF was unsure if she liked them and the males were just too big for her.

They are great animals, abit smelly but clean, fun, funny and clever. The 3 we have are totally different and have such huge characters. One is a dumbo rat. one has a small head and looks like a shark! and the other is always summing things up and stares at you.

I know a few here are rat lovers and i need to hyjack the thread to ask 2 questions. i hope the OP doesnt mind?

1, how much to vets charge to clip their nails? or is it easy to do yourself?
2, One rat which is the most outgoing of the 3 seems to make such a strange noise every now and then, its almost like a chicken chuckling very fast, not chatting of teeth but close to it. It doesnt seem to be causing her any problems and her breathing seems normal. what is this? its almost like she has hic cups or close to it. Any ideas?

Great animals. and they dont chew on the carpet or sofa so can be left running about for longer. They also hold in there waste when out of the cage as most times just after we put them away they go to the loo in their little potty area.
 
Clipping nails I don't know - I put some flatish large pebbles from the beach in places like the doorway to the house to try and help wear them down a bit but only one of mine has really sharp claws, I normally just put up with it.

I have heard of people using emory boards as its less stressful and dangerous to the rat. If you do try clipping make sure you have some of this to hand in case you trim too short.

As for the sounds the options are bruxing - when they are happy (and when they are ill just to be annoying), they basically grind their teeth together, this can lead to boggling which is bloody scary the first time you see it but basically the movement of them grinding their teeth makes their eyes push out a little bit (and boggle - it is what it says on the tin).

One of my rats, Merlin, has chronic respiratory problems which along with sneezing can make his breathing sound rattly - you would know this if you heard it.

The other thing is rats have no gag reflex - they can't throw up or burp which is why carbonated drinks are a no-no and why a shy rat may be unsure about trying new foods to start with. A type of hiccup may be that she has eaten too fast or something isn't sitting right in her stomach. It could also be something serious but you would know if she seemed distressed by it. Try putting her tummy to your ear when she is doing it - if you can hear something going on in her lungs it might be worth a trip to the vets.

You say they're a bit smelly - babies generally are more smelly but it might be the bedding not doing its job or you might need to wash any hammocks more often. If all else fails try getting some tap-a-drop (the rat warehouse sell it) and just put a couple of drops on some tissues near but not in the cage.

I have no problem answering questions the best I can but I can't recommend the fancy rats website and forum enough - it can be a bit overwhelming but it is a brilliant resource of information and experiences.
 
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Edit - just out of curiosity how much meds are you giving a day? Its just thinking about it 5 days seems pretty short, most courses I've had are minimum 7-10 days and thats 0.2ml 2 or 3 times a day depending on what the problem is.

It's five days, once a day and it's 0.2ml of the stuff. Now I'm worried incase she's not getting enough!

The vet got the dosage from a rattie book, I'm not sure if he knows that much about rats but he reads up on things in his mini library if he's not sure. I'm the only person with rats that he treats apparently.

Does Merlin need lots of treatment for his problems? Dory sneezes quite a lot and always has. I can't hear the rattly breathing but will the sneezing lead to that?

Clipping nails - We never clip their nails, putting stones in the cage and letting them run around on the floor, coffee table, etc keeps them short enough. Our vet only charges £5 though if we were to get them clipped.

Moorron- How often do you clean the cage and the rats themselves? I have to clean the cage twice weekly and that's for only two so you may have to clean the cage more often. I also give them a bath once a week which keeps them smelling nice.

When I first saw the boggling thing I thought their eyes where going to explode! lol. It looks really funny when you get used to it though.
 
Unfortunately many of the rattie books out there are (to put it nicely) rubbish - many still suggest sawdust as a type of bedding :rolleyes: :/

This is the best info I have found on the web with regards to baytril:

Dosing Baytril:
The lowest recommended dosage of liquid oral Baytril is 0.2ml per lb (or 0.5ml per kg) twice daily for 14 to 30 days but this dose can be increased by up to 4 times, depending on the ailment. Baytril works best when dosed regularly and splitting the daily dose into 2, one given in the morning the other at night, works well. This means your 'typical' 300g doe would get 0.15ml x 2 and your 'typical' 600g buck would get 0.3ml x 2. (Please bear in mind that 'typical' is a basic average - it is highly recommended you weigh your rats!).

So even on the lowest dose your rattie should be getting at least 0.15ml twice a day.
Now I AM NOT A VET but I have spent a lot of time around rats, learning everything I can. In the future I may even look into breeding but that involves going in to genetics and dominant and recessive genes which I'm still having problems following :o

Just sneezing isn't always a sign of a problem - Dibbler sneezes lots but his is if he gets nervous or something startles him, he has been on baytril and it didn't make much difference.
Have a look around Dorys nose and eyes for porphyrin which is like red tears/discharge - if there is a fair bit then I would guess she might have a slight chest infection but again porphyrin can just be if they are overly stressed and can look worse if they've just woken up.

Merlin's rattle is because of where the infection sits in his lungs. I think (and I might have this bit back to front) that the rattle means its an upper respiratory problem whereas if he was just sneezing its more than likely a lower respiratory problem.

Bathing rats - lol - I only did that once :eek: they took a week to forgive me (and I was daft and had short sleeves on - I looked like something out of a horror movie :D ) Now I use cheap unscented wetwipes if they need it - I generally find its the tail that needs the most cleaning; soft toothbrushes are good for that :)

Oh - you may find the antibiotics cause soft poos - probiotics are a good thing for this, you can get yoghurt or I have a powder from the rat warehouse which I mix in with some of the dr squiggles daily essentials powder as it won't do any harm to other ratties but will help the medicated one (they get a bottle of dr squiggles once a week as they love it and it has lots of vits and minerals and stuff in it)
 
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Dory's eyes are bight and alert with no discharge. It's something she's always done so I've never really thought much of it until I read somewhere she could be damaging her lungs.

If the antibiotics don't seem to work I'm going to go to a different vet (one that I found through the rat forum, actually) to see if I can find something that works or if I can get any better advice.

Bathing rats is easy. But only if two people are there. I tried it once on my own, big mistake! :eek:
 
If the sneezes aren't affecting her any other way, I personally wouldn't worry too much. If I took Dibbler to the vet every time he had the sneezes he'd live there :/
Rats are the same as humans - too much unnecessary meds mean they can build up a resistance to them - any of mine show signs of sneezing or discharge, I always give it a few days to see if it'll clear up on its own before I make a vet appointment.

Please, if there is any more blood go to the new vet asap, I've seen owners on that forum lose rats in less than 48 hours because of bleeding.
 
Thanks for the full reply.

I need to add a bit of background info to help you out.

When we got the 3 baby rats we bought a wire mesh, metal based cage which had very little in the way of floors. It is about L=800xW=400xH650. as it only really had the base floor we could train them to use one corner as the loo. This was a dish that my missus cleaned daily to limit the build up. But I treated them to a much larger cage, which is about the same as the other but over a meter high. But its got more floors in it, about 5 so they really have the space now instead of hanging onto the sides of the old cage. We like the cage as its got a flip top lid making it easy to get to the rates and feed them treats. But the problem is now they have 20 times more corners they seem to urinate at the top so all the wire mesh floors get stained and smell a lot worse. They still use the dish to poop In which isn’t the smelly bit. Strange.

We clean them once a week; I take it this isn’t any where near enough? Not a problem to do more often. We were also sold sawdust when we got the rats and first cage, yet after reading a rat book it said to not use this as it caused breathing problems, we then used the chewed up soft cardboard type, this was bad, it didn’t seem to do anything. So now we use pellet cat litter which we find is the best.

My 3 rats get ‘sleep’ in there eyes but don’t seem un happy. They do fight a lot, but its all playing as ive never seen blood or when they roll the other rat on its back they then just seem to clean her.

They love music too, always falling asleep to it.

I let them run on the sofa (leather) but 2 of them now know how to jump off onto the floor which is fun, we let them run about here too (wooden floor) but can’t leave them unattended as they like the tv and all the cables. What makes me chuckle is they jump off the sofa, run about for 5 minutes then climb back into the cage! Lol. They then come back out and in and out again. They won’t stay still in my hand, but I took one outside the other day and she just sniffed the breeze for 10 minutes while sitting in my arms looking at me.

I hope the noise the one makes is the bit because she is happy. Why aren’t the other 2 miserable cretins happy? Lol

Bath a rat?????!!!!!!

AS I am new to rats I can’t recommend then enough, they do need lots of attention and every night I let them out and handle them for at least 20 minutes. Talk to them every time I pass the cage and treat them now and then to some fruit. They love orange juice. They used to have a hammock but chewed it to bits after a week. They seem happy with a plastic tube as a hide away now.
 
I'm a bit busy at work today so I'l do a full reply about litter when I get home tonight.

The thing that jumped out at me is the orange juice bit - I know that its been proven citrus causes cancer in male rats but I am unsure about in females - it might be worth holding off on it and I will see if I can find any more info for you.
 
Takhisis said:
I'm a bit busy at work today so I'l do a full reply about litter when I get home tonight.

The thing that jumped out at me is the orange juice bit - I know that its been proven citrus causes cancer in male rats but I am unsure about in females - it might be worth holding off on it and I will see if I can find any more info for you.

cheers

No problem in the eveing reply.
 
I'm sure theres something ironic about my typing this reply just before I go to clean my smellies out :D

I'll start with citrus - apparently in the peel and juices of citrus fruits there is D-limonene which has been linked to kidney cancer in male rats (also mangos). With regards to female rats people seem undecided - some say that it can cause to much acidity in their systems. They also don't need additional vitamin c as their bodys produce it (how cool would that be in humans :) ) I think the general feeling is its a bit of an unknown so its up to the owner.

What dried food do you use? One of the worst ones out there is actually Reggie Rat as it is full of colourings and chemicals. There are some good ones here,I personally use Alpha Herbal Deluxe and then mix in Burgess Supa Excel Rat, dried pasta twirls and sometimes a cereal (plain cornflakes, rice krispies, shredded wheat, etc) and then they get fresh fruit or veg at least every other day. They also get treats like scrambled eggs, oily fish, meat etc.

On to litter; you say they are pooing in the dish - do you put anything in it?
I use carefresh in the litter tray for mine and they generally only pee on shelves if they are overdue being cleaned out. I use layered newspaper then ecopetbed and then some torn up paper/value loo roll for my boys.

One thing you could try is as soon as they pee in a corner wipe it up with a baby wipe or some diluted vanilla essence - this can help get rid of "territorial" smells.
When Cmot has suitable calmed down and I begin introductions again I will be washing the whole cage with vanilla essence as well as wiping the rats with it as hopefully it'll help them accept each other as they will all smell the same and no-one will have a dominant smell in the cage.

I only clean mine out once a week unless I've done something daft like given them berries (I had red rats last night - I gave them strawberries and forgot - I swear they roll around in the juice on purpose just to scare me and give me a heart attack).

With letting them free-range mine run over the sofa and sometimes when I'm online I let them wander around (and usually) fall asleep on my desk.
So far *touch wood* they haven't gone for any wires but if they did as soon as you saw them doing it, it would probably be too late because their teeth are so sharp. Teeth are also insulated so *in theory* they wouldn't get shocked (it would depend on how much power was running thru and if anything other than the teeth touched the powered bit of the cable).

One of my boys who died a few months back, Rincewind, was a shoulder rat. He loved nothing more than to fall asleep draped over my shoulder. He would stay there for hours - if I pinned my hair up he would wander across the back of my neck to work out which shoulder was more comfortable or gave him the better view.
Merlin on the other hand is annoying in that he likes to sit just under my chin on my chest even if I'm standing up and walking around, the number of scratches I get from where he pulls himself up is daft. He is the one with the sharpest claws too.
Dibbler is still nosey - wants to sniff everything, be everywhere, so he doesn't have a "sitting" place yet. Cmot is the same.

The rolling each other over and then cleaning is called power grooming - you may be able to work out who is the alpha in the cage by seeing who is on top most of the time.

I have only ever seen Cmot brux at me once whereas Rincewind use to sit and do it right in my ear all the time - some rats just don't *shrugs*

It has been thought that rats can only physically feel fear for 20-30 minutes so if possible I always try to get mine out for at least 45 minutes esp when they're new or if they're rescues, just to establish with them that there is nothing to be afraid of outside of the cage. After this has sunk in you can get away with shorter free-ranging times but tbh I keep mine out as much as I can :)
 
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I will keep them off the orange juice to be on the safe side.

We were using reggie rat, but they were picky with the bits and this meant half of it was thrown away. We have just changed to a food that is just brown marble size balls that’s all the same. They seem to like it. But i am going to look at you links and try some of the others to see which they like the most.

We heard that some foods kill the rats die to the fact they can’t burp just as you have said. This has meant we have stopped ourselves feeding them what we have. With the gerbils they ate anything I was eating which I admit wasn’t the healthiest thing to do.

We give them apple, strawberries, banana and the like. We also have some chicken and chip flavored biscuits for rat. They love these. Now I have seen what you feed yours I will do the same this is known safe.

We originally bought a ‘toilet’ training kit. But they kept moving it out of the corner so we used a ceramic dish which is too heavy to move. We use the same litter in it to soak anything up. As you say, maybe a clean out twice a week might solve it.

I let them run about last nice for a good 30 minutes and they seemed to stay away from the TV and power cables. But it took me some time to get them into the cage as they seemed to have found out they are safe under the sofa. I swear they were playing hide a seek with me. All 3 rats don’t sit still for long on my shoulders; they climb down my t shirt onto my arms. AND it hurts. They won’t eat out of the cage too. I hope they get use to being out of the cage and fall asleep, it would mean that they are truly happy with us.

When does a rat become an adult? Ours are 4 months old (we have had them 3 months)? Also when do they stop growing?

Sorry to hear one of yours passed away, when I had to put down each of your gerbils due to tumors at the vets it wasn’t nice. That’s why we had 3 rats so if one passes away the other 2 have each other.

POWER grooming, good to know thanks. Its split between 2 of them who is the alpha dow.

I lost one the other day, after a good search of the house we found one of the patio door curtains stitching. She had climbed to the top! Lol

Cheers

Andy
 
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