you know the first two convictions have to be violent offenses right?
also pretty sure speeding wouldn't be a third strike what with it only being a fine.
Reoffending rates - perhaps the spinless left were right after all...
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you know the first two convictions have to be violent offenses right?
also pretty sure speeding wouldn't be a third strike what with it only being a fine.
He doesn't mean physically rage-bear on their asses. Actually just padded-cell, whispered voices loony.
Indeed, I'd be very upset.
Wonder how much it would cost to get someone who has nothing to do your dirty work for you.....
Discussing stuff like this on here is like smashing your head against a brick wall!
Totally pointless because a huge number of people here have been totally brainwashed by the right-wing nonsense printed in 'so called' newspapers such as Daily Fail / Sun.
Good luck to whoever can be bothered!
Totally pointless because a huge number of people here have been totally brainwashed by the right-wing nonsense printed in 'so called' newspapers such as Daily Fail / Sun.
Good luck to whoever can be bothered!
Soldato
Nice contribution to the thread.
So we can't punish them in a harsh way, way can't give them two chances and then say enough is enough, we can't give the victims any say in what happens, we can't treat them like the scum they are, we can't prevent crime because parents, teachers and police aren't allowed to dicipline children, poor people are given carte blanche to procreate as much as they like knowing the cost will be borne by the state, and lets be honest, between the poor and immigrants that's where most violent crime occurs, we allow people to drink themselves into a stupor, attack others and walk free.
The zero tolerance against knife crime is about as effective as an ashtray on a motorcycle, gangs are allowed to get away with not grassing on fellow gang members (torturing names out of gang members is not something I'm opposed to), we allow rapists, pedos and murderers to grace the streets with their presence after serving several years in a relatively cushy environment (regardless of what you think, they have it easy compared to say china or thailand) at the expense of the victims.
What are we to do then?
The zero tolerance against knife crime is about as effective as an ashtray on a motorcycle, gangs are allowed to get away with not grassing on fellow gang members (torturing names out of gang members is not something I'm opposed to), we allow rapists, pedos and murderers to grace the streets with their presence after serving several years in a relatively cushy environment (regardless of what you think, they have it easy compared to say china or thailand) at the expense of the victims.
What are we to do then?
Soldato
He's right, though. Too many people who don't know what they're talking about, thinking they do, because of the hyperbole they've swallowed.
So first time entrants are down 40% from 2006, and taking them out of this years number the number of reoffenders is down by nearly 4%. The fact that first time offenders is going down faster naturally means that the proportion of reoffenders will rise, but hides the fact that their numbers are also reducing. Which would seem to be a good thing, no?
Ill be quick because im revising but what is wrong with having a 2-tiered system, first time offenders go through rehabilitation, get education, job skills etc. Re-offenders on the other hand, say 3 strikes get enforced community service, hard labour, solitary confinement etc because clearly they have no interest in being rehabilitated so the focus should switch to punishment.
Well? Enlighten me then....
Give us the solution then of wise one?
Soldato
By having one of the lowest levels of social mobility in the developed world, which effectively bars people from making anything of their lives unless they were born into it or turn out to be ludicrously lucky. World class education? Not sure if serious. Either way, good luck getting a job with only GCSEs to your name. And before you say it, A levels are only free if you ignore the opportunity cost of spending two years not working. Social benefits? A life on benefits is not as comfortable as the Daily Mail would have you believe.
Agreed, some parts of the world have it worse than us, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't care about what's going on in our own back yard. It's very easy to sit there in a position of privilege and judge those less fortunate than yourself; it's less easy to spend a little time thinking about why "scum" are the way they are.
Shoes starts threat about soft justice system including short sentences.
RomanNose posts telling shoes that he should blame the right for wanting longer sentences.
It's late on a friday so I accept the possibility that I have completely misunderstood you, however, it seems like you have me all wrong.
OK trying to blame it on the soft justice system isn't going to work very well.
1. The condems pushed for longer sentences and they delivered, surely a tougher justice system would reduce crime rate under your logic? But the re offending rate went up when this policy was introduced!
2.How can you be so sure that the "soft" justice system caused this, there are loads of other factors. Such as Prison capacity, poverty etc..
I actually want to see how the sentence length compared with 2001 as well.
You are basically trying to come to a conclusion without looking at all the different variables.
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OP. Your post is badly thought out. You've cherry picked information to "prove" what you believe in your head, disregarding anything that doesn't agree.
What's most laughable at your brutal stupidity is that you think that since we don't do any rehabilitation of note, and it doesn't work, then that proves it doesn't work.
What you're suggesting is abject stupidity. We need to deal with criminals, not punish them or make them suffer.
Wanting to make criminals suffer indicates that you have issues with sadism.
What's most laughable at your brutal stupidity is that you think that since we don't do any rehabilitation of note, and it doesn't work, then that proves it doesn't work.
What you're suggesting is abject stupidity. We need to deal with criminals, not punish them or make them suffer.
Wanting to make criminals suffer indicates that you have issues with sadism.