Returned goods not faulty charges in shops

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Long story short - colleague at work recently purchased some 1k mark money worth of bits to build his PC - put your pitchforks down - nothing to do with OCUK service - the purchase was from competitor I shall not name - and among other things he bought Gigabyte X79 U5 board thing and I7 3820 CPU.

Upon arrival last week he put all the bits together and things looked DOA. All lights on the motherboard lit up, but no one's at home, no post, no beep, just fans spinning, that's it. He called the place up early this week, they told him to send both motherboard and chip back, because neither him nor the support guys on the phone could figure out whether it was the CPU or mobo. Fair enough.

Yesterday he received an email stating that the motherboard, out of the box, was not able to recognise the CPU, and new bios, several revisions higher had to be flashed by the support guys before both could boot together. However, because there is nothing physically wrong with the parts, support marked the return as "no fault found" and my mate was expected to fork out £25 + VAT "non faulty goods returned" fee before motherboard and CPU should be shipped back/returned to him. He tried to argue, but was told it was not the stores fault motherboard didn't recognise CPU and there is nothing wrong with both parts, so charge has to be paid and that's it. To not delay matters further, with the rest of the rig ready and open on office desk he did pay and both parts are now on the way back to him.

Now to be honest, this peed me off, even as a bystander. On one hand, I totally understand why retailer would have such charge in place - time = money and all that. On the other hand though - they sell socket 2011 motherboard that doesn't work with current socket 2011 CPUs out of the box. This incompatibility is not listed anywhere on the website at the point of sale. Surely it not reasonable to expect the buyer to have another, older CPU to hand to reflash the bios after arrival and make it compatible with newer CPU? Therefore in my book, the goods sold were not fit for purpose at point of sale, and any such incompatibility should be a matter between seller and their supplier and no additional charges should be demanded?

What's your advice forumites, any legal blurb that could be thrown at the shop in this case?
 
Yes, he has to pay the fee for the store updating the bios for him. It wasn't faulty at all, and not the stores fault but the motherboard manufacturers.

All your friend can do is remember this in the future and refuse to buy from a store with such a policy again.
 
I think the only thing that would save him from the charge is if he asked the retailer if the motherboard and cpu were compatible at the time of sale. Otherwise, the onus is on him to check before purchase.
 
You could maybe argue that the tech support people should've checked the BIOS revision over the phone, and then you'd know where you stood before sending it back.
 
To be fair, he bought all the parts separately, and each individual part works. That they don't all work together due to bios level issues with mobo isn't really the retailers problem.
 
I'd have told them that if they wanted to charge me then I'll dsr the lot and go elsewhere.

On greater than 1k orders it always works a treat!
 
Not the retailers fault like others said, My mate had a similar problem and phoned me up to ask if he could borrow my cpu to update the bios :D. That was on the new asus crosshair board for AMD from ocuk. Charged for wasting their time on a non faulty product seems reasonable to me. Not as bad as receiving two harddrives smashed to pieces sending them back and then have them returned saying they only expected 1 drive even though I webnoted two. Had to send them back again and didn't see new ones until two months later..... ocuk. no retailers perfect I assure you that.
 
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I'd have told them that if they wanted to charge me then I'll dsr the lot and go elsewhere.

On greater than 1k orders it always works a treat!

Actually, I would still do this - tell them he wants the £25 refunded as a gesture of goodwill or they can provide him with an RMA number under DSR ;)
 
Probably I'd just write it off as a bad experience, slate them to everybody I spoke to and never shop their again. If you want to have a go though I'd write a letter addressed to 'managing director' putting my case across as politely but firmly as I could - so long as it gets to someone senior you may be surprised by the response.

ps. It's not fit for purpose in my opinion, no amount of research could tell you what bios version is on their stock. You can try consumer direct, your card issuer, and mcol. It all depends how much effort you want to put in to recovering £25.
 
It's not as much about the £25 (+VAT) off course (although if it were me, I'd feel it's very unfair price for what is, at the end of the day no fault of consumer buying the goods), as it is about principle. I can't see how the guy can be expected to diagnose and then flash a bios on a motherboard that doesn't even post with CPU it was designed for, in home conditions. I understand what others have said - "it's not the shops fault", but surely, it's not buyers fault either - the shop sells it and advertise it as socket 2011, without any clauses (there is no "we have old stock, you might need to update the bios if you want it to work with new CPUs" anywhere to be seen on their website) therefore the "unfitness of goods" as it were falls onto their lap, not a consumer.

If they were selling car that doesn't work with current fuel sold in UK without buyer opening the bonnet and flashing ECU or electronics that don't work with 220V until you solder couple of things on, and no one told you this at the point of sale, we wouldn't even have this conversation. Right?

Funnily enough, when questioned over the phone the rep on the phone told my colleague "you are expected to research any incompatibilities between the parts you purchase, beforehand", but again, that made me, the bystander a bit angry - because no amount of research would tell him what bios revision is in a sealed box on a shelf somewhere in the warehouse?
 
Given that a quick look at Gigabytes website indicates that that CPU requires quite a late BIOS version (F8) on that board I'd have probably asked the vendor what BIOS version the boards they were shipping were and if they couldn't answer ask them what they could do in this potential situation prior to making my purchase.

It sounds more like the person purchasing didn't research things properly. I would never buy a seperate motherboard and CPU without checking their compatibility on the manufacturers website in advance as they do add compatibility with different BIOS versions, something which is not explained on most vendor websites.
 
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