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I was moaning at a few small 8-10% climbs and a constant headwind. At least it was dry!

Did you ride around Wigan? I grew up in Standish.

Usually yeah, hit the local hills and over past Rivington towards Blackburn/Brindle or stay south and ride Shaley Brow etc. Summer time go further north past Preston and up the Trough of Bowland.

Summer time trials are Southport/Tarleton or the course at Rainford.
 
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because they insist on indexing the front derailleur, which is wholly unnecessary and actually inferior.
I kinda follow but I'm not sure I really understand how it's inferior, unless if friction shifting you wouldn't need to trim the derailleur? But then wouldn't you end up with the chain in different positions, so slightly differing chainlines each time. So you'd need to 'tweak' it far more to stop rub when going up and down the block? In my mind it would be hitting the limit screws (as generally people push levers as far as they will go?), or it moves just enough to shift then rubs further up/down the block...?

Reasonably easy season opener, trying to gently wake the legs from winter slumber.
Certainly woke them up with those conditions, must have been brutal so kudos!

All Shimano 2 piston calipers are the same 22mm pistons I believe so should feel the same, it's a matter of the right hose and hose fitting.
Ahh ok, makes sense. So same amount of piston 'travel' when actuated too? The fact they generally self correct/adjust to pad depth makes me think it's a none issue!?

I'm thinking of trying to sell my wheels separate to the bike, so paid the postage and bought one online :)

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Would love to be a fly on the wall when you first use it and interesting to see how you go - I'm considering you have no experience of a 'classic' chain whip!? :D

Endurance is looking superb, really do like that matt red colour! Although that front loose hose would do my head in coinsidering how tidy it is elsewhere they really missed a trick there with the integration... I'm easily annoyed with things like that - go to the trouble of a bespoke/customised aero stem-bar combo, integrate some/half of it then just the bits left over look even WORSE! :rolleyes: :D

Any elemnt bolt users had a problem updating the firmware - I'm in a loop of "checking" "Downloading 0%" "checking".

I tried a factory reset but there's no change...
Had similar with mine, blamed my home Wifi being a bit spotty the one night as it worked the next day. Have found sometimes my ELEMNT is happier on my work Wifi than my Home. Weird.

Rode through a few floods, one almost up to the hubs and bb. checked my inpower when I got home. Perfectly dry, the cover is super tight to fit and has an O ring but good to know. Good job I drilled a hole in the BB shell earlier in the week too!
Miserable conditions! Think you've said before you wear 2 pairs of socks for warmth as you suffer with cold feet? Wearing merino, so at least they stay a bit warmer when wet?

You sound like an ideal Spatzwear candidate! ;)

Has anyone used non-Garmin speed/cadence sensors?
I've used all the Garmin ones, they're the best from my experience, but I have used a few others too.

I have the cheaper Decathlon one that sits on the chainstay (not the one you linked). It was actually on my Turbo bike for a couple of years until recently (more accurate cadence than the trainer). Although when the battery died I switched it out to the old Garmin (GSC-10?) one just to test and prove that still works. No problems with either (should probably get rid of one!) but the Garmin seems to last longer on battery (CR2032). The amount of abuse/water/winter my Garmin one has been through it's impressive it still works (used outside for many years!).

I was using the Wahoo 'magnet-less' cadence on my crankarm with previous crankset (again, more accurate than my PWM's value). No problems but it seemed to get through batteries like crazy, more so than my PWM! Since switching cranks/PWM (to 4iiii) I've not needed one as the cadence reading on that is great and zero issues.
 
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I kinda follow but I'm not sure I really understand how it's inferior, unless if friction shifting you wouldn't need to trim the derailleur? But then wouldn't you end up with the chain in different positions, so slightly differing chainlines each time. So you'd need to 'tweak' it far more to stop rub when going up and down the block? In my mind it would be hitting the limit screws (as generally people push levers as far as they will go?), or it moves just enough to shift then rubs further up/down the block...?

indexing makes sense on the back because the derailleur controls the position of the chain absolutely. On the front the derailleur suggests where the chain should be with a wee shove and then leaves it to its business.

there's about 10 clicks in a campag ultrashift front shifter, which means across a huge range of different frames and cranks i can always have my front mech where it needs to be, rather than one of 3 or 4 semi-fixed places

di2 front mechs constantly roam around in response to where the chain is on the back. It's like that but mechanically controlled by the rider
 
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I've used all the Garmin ones, they're the best from my experience, but I have used a few others too.

I have the cheaper Decathlon one that sits on the chainstay (not the one you linked). It was actually on my Turbo bike for a couple of years until recently (more accurate cadence than the trainer). Although when the battery died I switched it out to the old Garmin (GSC-10?) one just to test and prove that still works. No problems with either (should probably get rid of one!) but the Garmin seems to last longer on battery (CR2032). The amount of abuse/water/winter my Garmin one has been through it's impressive it still works (used outside for many years!).

I was using the Wahoo 'magnet-less' cadence on my crankarm with previous crankset (again, more accurate than my PWM's value). No problems but it seemed to get through batteries like crazy, more so than my PWM! Since switching cranks/PWM (to 4iiii) I've not needed one as the cadence reading on that is great and zero issues.

Cheers @Roady. I've got the newer Garmin crank arm/hub sensors on two bikes, but having wasted 10 minutes or so on Sunday getting the spoke magnet to line up without rubbing, I'd like to bin it off but £52 for the Garmin set isn't quite an impulse buy...
 
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Would love to be a fly on the wall when you first use it and interesting to see how you go - I'm considering you have no experience of a 'classic' chain whip!? :D

Ha ha, yeah, we'll see. I'm generally not good with practical mechanical work either. I'll watch a bunch of YouTube videos on it. How hard can it be, right? :)
 
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https://www.strava.com/activities/3128315953

52.631km in an hour in training? Will be interesting to see what he manages out of training.

Oliver Bridgewood (GCN) attempted to beat Eddy Merckx record the other day and came close but slightly short with 47.593.

Didn't realise Dan was going for this I thought it was John they were lining up for it.
Any details on what they have lined up velodrome wise and time of year etc? I guess it will be at altitude for sure.
 
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Didn't realise Dan was going for this I thought it was John they were lining up for it.
Any details on what they have lined up velodrome wise and time of year etc? I guess it will be at altitude for sure.

Think I heard about this on a podcast recently but not sure which one. Think they are going for altitude and within the next couple of weeks. Will try find details.
 
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Ha yeah, quite. Seems like I made a PB 2hr, 3hr and 4hr power out there in the wind! Times like these you value a power meter - my average speed alone wouldn't have told me anything useful.
Haha yeah speed can be massively misleading. I was late for dinner last night and pushed quite hard ignoring all numbers to get home quickly. I just seemed 'slow', but riding from cold I went far too deep. Cue absolutely blew myself up on the only real ramp in less than 2 minutes. Fatigued a little, stressed, running late with cold legs and headwind are not a good combination! Maybe I need to practice my Zwift starts more... ;) :D :(

Working perfectly today after spending a good 2 hours messing about with it yesterday... I can now reinstall all the maps I deleted in anger!
Map problems on a Wahoo device? I've never fiddled with the maps on my ELEMNT, or felt the need to!

indexing makes sense on the back because the derailleur controls the position of the chain absolutely. On the front the derailleur suggests where the chain should be with a wee shove and then leaves it to its business.

there's about 10 clicks in a campag ultrashift front shifter, which means across a huge range of different frames and cranks i can always have my front mech where it needs to be, rather than one of 3 or 4 semi-fixed places

di2 front mechs constantly roam around in response to where the chain is on the back. It's like that but mechanically controlled by the rider
I hadn't realised Campag did anything different wioth the FD, is that across their range or just a 'gain' of Ultrashift?

I'm not sure that I'm that aware of my front mech, not more than 4-5 positions at most, but then that is an ignorant Shimano rider who probably uses inefficient chainlines and crosschains far more than I should... ;)

I'd like to bin it off but £52 for the Garmin set isn't quite an impulse buy...
No prob and yeah totally agree with you. Kinda the reason I went the Wahoo cadence sensor when I needed one. I like the Garmin magnetless ones but for the price (and rubbish crank arm rubber band which I've snapped at least 2 of) the Wahoo was a good choice. There was more of a price difference when I got it back then as Wahoo seem to be pricing higher and higher these days...

Ha ha, yeah, we'll see. I'm generally not good with practical mechanical work either. I'll watch a bunch of YouTube videos on it. How hard can it be, right? :)
It's not hard, it's the concept/practicality of 'holding' the cassette, basically independant of the wheel, so you can rotate the lockring (which is screwed onto the freehub) to undo it with a combination of tools...

Also without pulling the freehub off the axle/hub lol. You'll do it at some point and scare yourself silly (depending on hub design will depend how easily this happens & how easy to 'solve') ;)

You'll manage it, at the end of the day you're practical enough to mount a bike on the wall and it hasn't fallen onto you while you slept, yet!? :D

https://www.strava.com/activities/3128315953

52.631km in an hour in training? Will be interesting to see what he manages out of training.

Oliver Bridgewood (GCN) attempted to beat Eddy Merckx record the other day and came close but slightly short with 47.593.
Great numbers! But really expected power output to maybe be higher. Shows how slippery and aero he is with those speeds.

Let be honest, Oli came close, much closer than I expected him to but his numbers are just 'normal' for a good club type rider. He's no TT specialist, WT pro, or track cyclist like Dan B.

Infact compare those 2 data sets and you'll see the difference. Not a huge difference in power (50-60W) but massive difference in speeds (11mph+):
Dan: https://www.strava.com/activities/3128315953/analysis/1133/4763
Oli: https://www.strava.com/activities/3109009186/analysis/1297/4923

Throwing a Dowsett peak hour TT comparison on there too would be good, but I'm struggling to track down a flat TT.
 
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It's a game of air density first.
Then a game of how to cut through that.
And finally it's a game of watts.

Campenaerts was around 330w at altitude for the record!
 
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Listening to Wiggins talk about how you ride the hour was quite insane, the level of thought for the whole time period through every single piece of track each time around.
 
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Brutal ride home last night with the Tank. Bitter cold wind rotated from pure north (thanks for sending that @xdcx) to from the NW so then carrying sleety wet rain from Wales, at a guess windchill at around zero or below. Then half way back that had changed to a mixture of hail and snow. 10 minutes later, blue skies. Miserable!

Not to mention a track effort is very different to a road one, you think the fitness would translate straight across but it doesn't quite.
Yeah, when some of the WT TT guys are putting out close to 400W avg/NP on a hilly for 40/45mins half way through a GT you'd think they'd be able to push around 400W for an hour of a single isolated event on the track.

Anyone got some good numbers for any? Harry Tanfield (or Charlie) springs to mind rather than Dowsett as he's done far more track work and is very slippery from his work with HUUB/WB. Charlie riding road stage races makes me think he'd have the stamina for an hours effort without too much training but he's now so deep into it none of his training seems to be track focussed. Would've been awesome to see him give it a shot, but equally he has a big ole' frame for that density/airflow on the track which would be quite a disadvantage compared to Bigham(s).
 
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