rooney's red card incident (video clip)

McBain said:
Exactly, people are quick to say 'Rooney needs to calm his temper' - eh, he hasn't done anything wrong.

If either of those two instances are red card offences we better get used to seeing teams go down to 10 men, because pushing and shoving happens in every single game.

As for the 'stamp', I firmly believe it wasn't intentional, as his foot goes down he doesn't add any force to it. He's simply putting his foot down, it has to go somewhere.
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And what exactly HAS BEEN HAPPENING this whole World Cup?? I'll tell you incase you've missed it, we have a new record for RED CARDS.

Funny that huh? "Better get used to seeing teams go down to 10 men?".

That's been happening across the whole tournament so the players knew how card happy the refs were.

Just look what happened to Deco - now THAT was a harsh sending off.
 
Unconditional said:
Despite missing the blatent handball in the box just moments before Beckham went?
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He didn't miss the handball... he deemed that the ball played him and there was no way that it was intentional - his hands were down by his side, and he didn't move them to the ball

Yet another good decision by the referee... if that was a penalty it would have been a disgraceful call.
 
Docaroo said:
Just look what happened to Deco - now THAT was a harsh sending off.
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I agree, the second yellow was unwarranted in my view. He could have quite easily been sent off for the first one though so it could also be argued that he was a bit lucky.

I agree almost 100% with makavelli though on the Rooney incident. There's no way the stamp was intentional. I can't prove that, but given the context of the incident it's more than reasonable to assume Rooney had no other thought in his head than to get the ball. Take the incident out of context, put it in slow motion, watch it repeatedly and it's very easy to make anything of it.
 
Docaroo said:
And what exactly HAS BEEN HAPPENING this whole World Cup?? I'll tell you incase you've missed it, we have a new record for RED CARDS.

Funny that huh? "Better get used to seeing teams go down to 10 men?".

That's been happening across the whole tournament so the players knew how card happy the refs were.

Just look what happened to Deco - now THAT was a harsh sending off.
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You don't need to 'tell me anything' - bottom line is I know damn well the refereeing has been pants, it's not rocket science.
 
I can't believe how many people think the contact was deliberate. It was just an accident, these things happen in contact sports. He would have only been thinking about getting/protecting the ball at that point.

Also, there is no way Rooney has time to react to where Carvalho was on the ground in order to aim a perfectly placed stamp onto his 'nut sack'.
 
Docaroo said:
Here i disagree with you, Ronaldo's gestures like you said are of disbelief - Rooney has just stamped on Carvalho but the ref seems to be doing nothing - surely you'd want some sort of warning/yellow card/ANYTHING for a deliberate stamp?

How can you possible tell that Ronaldo is fishing for a Red Card??? Just because that was the final result?? Rooney made a stupid mistake by pushing Ronaldo, thus it is Rooney's fault.
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According to some player quotes Ronaldo was saying "that's a foul, it's a red", it's a red.
 
Mr_L said:
Your saying the referee is a liar?

Why would he send some one off for a push and then claim it was for something else? Some footage shown on WCMOTD shows the ref making a stamping gesture to one of the England players when they ask why just after the card.
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So he can cover himself.

Anyone who was actually watching the incident can see that the referee was not taking any disciplinary action against Rooney for the clearly accidental "stamp".
The FIFA rules state that a push is a yellow card. No disciplinary action was taken until the push.

If the referee stated that he gave a straight red for the push, he'd be kissing his job goodbye.

Make sense?
 
Jeez, are you guys still arguing :D

Bottom line is it doesn't matter if it was deliberate or not, the referee thought it was and took appropriate action. Rooney can deny intent all he wants, he's hardly going to admit it was deliberate. But even if he'd stayed on the pitch there was no guarantee you were going to win the match, in fact you'd created very little up to that time anyway, especially through Rooney.

Of course Ronaldo and his colleague were hoping it was going to be red, but they're not going to admit that either, it's the game these guys play. If the boot had been on the other knacker so to speak there's no doubt that Cole, Gerrard, Lampard et al would have been doing exactly the same thing as the Portugese.

You win some, you lose some, this time you lost. It didn't prevent you winning the World cup (you'd already over achieved according to ranking and were at your seeded level), you weren't cheated.
 
dod said:
You win some, you lose some, this time you lost. It didn't prevent you winning the World cup (you'd already over achieved according to ranking and were at your seeded level), you weren't cheated.
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The rankings are a waste of time. If my memory serves me well, the USA are 5th, suggesting that there is a flaw in the system as they are quite obviously not the 5th best football team. I believe that the ranking doesn't take into account the quality of the opposition anywhere near as much as it should.
 
Docaroo said:
He didn't miss the handball... he deemed that the ball played him and there was no way that it was intentional - his hands were down by his side, and he didn't move them to the ball

Yet another good decision by the referee... if that was a penalty it would have been a disgraceful call.
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What game were you watching?

His hands were up in the air, and the cross was blocked by his hand. If this had happened outside of the box I would bet that the ref would have given a free kick.
 
dod said:
You win some, you lose some, this time you lost. It didn't prevent you winning the World cup (you'd already over achieved according to ranking and were at your seeded level), you weren't cheated.
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Rankings were a joke for this WC (probably because continental competitions aren't weighted in the manner they perhaps should be).

USA 5th in the world coming into Germany 2006? :p
(and Germany might not even have qualified going by rankings)

But at the end of the day seeding and ranking (and England’s rather poor performances – although lets not forget even with 10 men and in heat Portugal were hardly the better team) have nothing to with being “cheated”.
 
the referee was very good (better than poll :D ) - hopefully he'll get the final.
The referee was going to give him a red card anyway even before Ronaldo got pushed by Rooney, he was just trying to calm the players down first. England lost fair and square, don't be bitter about it.
 
If people reacted to world events like they do to football matches, we'd have civil war in no time! :p

In any case, I think Rooney really asked for it. Sure Ronaldo was using cheap tactics (country comes first I guess), but still doesn't excuse Rooney's behaviour especially at this level. I truly believe he'd have gotten away with a yellow had he completely ignored Ronaldo and shown some humility, i.e. helping the player off the ground. Just watch todays Germany vs Italy match for some good examples.
 
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