RTX 2060 Super, RX 5700XT or RTX 2070 ?

Gripen90 · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:09

I need a new graphics card for my ITX machine after I sold my GTX 1660Ti. So I'm pretty much in need of a card now

However I cannot decide what GPU chipset to go after.
RTX 2060 Super
RX 5700XT reference
RTX 2070 non-super

All 3 are almost the same price in my country.

What card would you choose and why ? I really like the brute performance of the RX 5700XT but I don't know if I'll give up on ray tracing.

fs123 · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:15

The RX 5700XT is faster than the 2060S but same price so if it between them two then go for XT. The 2070S is a bit faster than the 5700XT but usually around $100 higher. It all depends on whether you want to lose the fps associated with RT. 60fps fluid gameplay or 45 fps with RT? I'd prefer the fps.

The AIB 5700XT's will swing performance in AMD's favour imo.

Poneros · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:24

It all boils down to ray tracing. Personally I know I'm gonna put hundreds of hours into CP2077 so for how much of a groundbreaking step RT GI is I would choose the 2070. The extra oomph of a 5700xt is pitiful compared to such a feature. Plus I'm willing to bet the next AC will have RT too so that's yet another reason for me.

In the end I went with a non-rt card last year and starting to regret it. It was the right decision at the time but nonetheless things change and I feel differently about it now.

Panos · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:31

Gripen90 said:
I need a new graphics card for my ITX machine after I sold my GTX 1660Ti. So I'm pretty much in need of a card now
However I cannot decide what GPU chipset to go after.
RTX 2060 Super
RX 5700XT reference
RTX 2070

All 3 are almost the same price in my country.

What card would you choose and why ? I really like the brute performance of the RX 5700XT but I don't know if I'll give up on ray tracing.

On ITX machine if you do not watercool, by default you need blower cooler yes? If so 5700XT then.
Undervolt the card to reduce thermals by ~20% while improving perf.

RavenXXX2 · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:37

5700xt.

NZXT30 · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:40

Poneros said:
It all boils down to ray tracing. Personally I know I'm gonna put hundreds of hours into CP2077 so for how much of a groundbreaking step RT GI is I would choose the 2070. The extra oomph of a 5700xt is pitiful compared to such a feature. Plus I'm willing to bet the next AC will have RT too so that's yet another reason for me.

In the end I went with a non-rt card last year and starting to regret it. It was the right decision at the time but nonetheless things change and I feel differently about it now.

Are you planning to play at 1080p 30fps? Current gen cant handle RT.

Ezyryder · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:50

I would get a 5700XT. They seem to overclock nicely and can match a 2070S for £100 less.

havenrl · 13 Jul 2019 at 18:54

I would say 2070S now.
When the 5700XT aib cards are released, then 5700XT.

Gripen90 · 13 Jul 2019 at 19:55

havenrl said:
I would say 2070S now.
When the 5700XT aib cards are released, then 5700XT.

The 2070 Super isn't a option since it was too expensive.

NZXT30 said:
Are you planning to play at 1080p 30fps? Current gen cant handle RT.

Playing at 1080p on a TV. Most cards I've seen run pretty well with ray tracing at medium settings though.

fs123 said:
The RX 5700XT is faster than the 2060S but same price so if it between them two then go for XT. The 2070S is a bit faster than the 5700XT but usually around $100 higher. It all depends on whether you want to lose the fps associated with RT. 60fps fluid gameplay or 45 fps with RT? I'd prefer the fps.

The AIB 5700XT's will swing performance in AMD's favour imo.

I would be fine with 45fps with RT enabled. But I am still very unsure if I need the RT features for my ITX machine or if performance is the main objective. The radeon cards are really tempting.
The ITX machine has evolved from GT 1030, to GTX 1050Ti and then GTX 1660Ti.

Poneros · 13 Jul 2019 at 20:26

NZXT30 said:
Are you planning to play at 1080p 30fps? Current gen cant handle RT.

4K 30, actually. +-10% render scale. High tweaked instead of Ultra/extreme, etc.

havenrl · 13 Jul 2019 at 20:28

Gripen90 said:
The 2070 Super isn't a option since it was too expensive.

Then, go for the 5700XT now or 5700.

Stephanie Peterson · 13 Jul 2019 at 20:30

5700xt by far.
I also cant see the lower nvidia cards doing anything remotely useful with raytracing either.

Darujhistan · 13 Jul 2019 at 20:37

Same price?

XT all day.

JediFragger · 13 Jul 2019 at 20:42

XT for me, but only if you don't mind a little noise from the gfx card. If not 2060S is better with a good cooler.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 Jul 2019 at 20:53

Someone buying a RTX2070 Super NOW for Cyberpunk 2077 is like someone buying a 8800GTS 320MB or 640MB for Crysis, and then the 8800GT and 8800GTS 512MB were released when the game was out. The demos were running on a GTX1080TI at 1080p.

Best to wait closer to release if you have a good enough graphics card now.

Gripen90 said:
The 2070 Super isn't a option since it was too expensive.

Playing at 1080p on a TV. Most cards I've seen run pretty well with ray tracing at medium settings though.

I would be fine with 45fps with RT enabled. But I am still very unsure if I need the RT features for my ITX machine or if performance is the main objective. The radeon cards are really tempting.
The ITX machine has evolved from GT 1030, to GTX 1050Ti and then GTX 1660Ti.

Wait until Cyberpunk 2077 is released. Getting a graphics card now for the game when it is out in 10 months time is not worth it IMHO. In 10 months time Nvidia might have launched a new range of graphics cards and AMD might have launched more powerful cards too.

dragonslayer · 13 Jul 2019 at 21:07

If you don't care about ray tracing the. The 5700xt once over locked it can offer 2080 level performance which for the price is absolutely fantastic

JediFragger · 13 Jul 2019 at 21:10

dragonslayer said:
The 5700xt once over locked it can offer 2080 level performance which for the price is absolutely fantastic

This is false, only when water-cooling is used (and possibly altered powerplay tables) does it get close to 2080.

Poneros · 13 Jul 2019 at 21:42

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Someone buying a RTX2070 Super NOW for Cyberpunk 2077 is like someone buying a 8800GTS 320MB or 640MB for Crysis, and then the 8800GT and 8800GTS 512MB were released when the game was out. The demos were running on a GTX1080TI at 1080p.

Best to wait closer to release if you have a good enough graphics card now.

Wait until Cyberpunk 2077 is released. Getting a graphics card now for the game when it is out in 10 months time is not worth it IMHO. In 10 months time Nvidia might have launched a new range of graphics cards and AMD might have launched more powerful cards too.

There's no new GPUs coming before CP2077 for his budget, plus he said he needs it now. As for CP2077 performance, it's coming out on X1 & PS4. If you understand what that means you understand a 2070S will have no issue handling it even at 4K, and since they're using TA up the wazoo you can downgrade to 1800p with minimal issues.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 Jul 2019 at 22:10

Poneros said:
There's no new GPUs coming before CP2077 for his budget, plus he said he needs it now. As for CP2077 performance, it's coming out on X1 & PS4. If you understand what that means you understand a 2070S will have no issue handling it even at 4K, and since they're using TA up the wazoo you can downgrade to 1800p with minimal issues.

The Witcher 3 came out in May 2015,and 10 months before was only Kepler cards,which couldn't handle the tessellation in the game,and CDPR released a slider to help. The GTX980 came out a few months later in late 2014 and obliterated even the GTX780TI:
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1006/bench/1080_Ultra.png
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1006/bench/1080_High.png

Mere weeks later after the game launched the GTX980TI was launched:
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1011/bench/Witcher.png

Witcher 3 released on consoles too, and it didn't run that great. The 8800GTS 320MB and 640MB released a year before Crysis came out and when it was released,we saw the 8800GT and 8800GTS 512MB which were cheaper and faster in the game.

So Nvidia releasing better cards when Cyberpunk 2077 is released makes a lot of sense,as it would be the ideal push for graphics card sales just like The Witcher 3 and Crysis were.

The demos were using a GTX1080TI at 1080p,and you can't make a promise even a RTX2070 Super can run the game at 4K fine,when the top cards of the Witcher 3 era,at ultra and very high settings struggled at 1080p and 1440p. The game was also downgraded graphically.

April 2020 is 10 months away,which will make current Turing 20 months old. Guess how long it was between the launch of the GTX980 and the GTX1080?? 21 months.

I would not upgrade a graphics card for the game until we know for certain how well it will run on current hardware.

Edit!!

If the OP is upgrading now just get the fastest card possible.

TBH,I would have just kept the GTX1660TI until the game is released.

Poneros · 13 Jul 2019 at 23:00

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The Witcher 3 came out in May 2015

Yes. And it came out for PS4 & X1, which is also what CP2077 is coming on. That means it's been developed with that baseline in mind. Meanwhile, GPUs today are many times faster. That's why a 2070 Super will not have issues handling the game at 4K (with the caveat: if there's some extreme setting like supersampling, I'm not talking about that; I'm talking High-ish).

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So Nvidia releasing better cards when Cyberpunk 2077 is released makes a lot of sense,as it would be the ideal push for graphics card sales just like The Witcher 3 and Crysis were.

Yes, that would be ideal if these things weren't planned years in advance and they wouldn't need to co-ordinate with a gigantic manufacturing & supply chain.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The demos were using a GTX1080TI at 1080p,and you can't make a promise even a RTX2070 Super can run the game at 4K fine,when the top cards of the Witcher 3 era,at ultra and very high settings struggled at 1080p and 1440p. The game was also downgraded graphically.

I can't make a promise, but I can make a bet.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
April 2020 is 10 months away,which will make current Turing 20 months old. Guess how long it was between the launch of the GTX980 and the GTX1080?? 21 months.

GeForce GTX 1080 May 27, 2016
GeForce RTX 2080 Ti September 27, 2018

Is that still 21 months?

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I would not upgrade a graphics card for the game until we know for certain how well it will run on current hardware.

Which is good advice if you want to wait, but maybe you'd rather use the GPU until then. And if you have a strong suspicion a competing GPU won't launch before Fall, then it makes sense. After all, that's almost a year of usage you'd get out of it before the game is out, and then a few more months on top of that before next-gen, and a few more months on top of that if you don't plan to buy the >$1K flagship (since the releases tend to stagger rather than come all at once). If you have an older/weaker GPU waiting is all the more painful. Just think if the same cards today are the exact same cards available on CP2077 launch - that means you've missed out on almost a year of playtime with a great GPU and mostly saved £20-30. Is that really worthwhile? To me no, that's why I'm pondering the upgrade myself.