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Russia election: Vladimir Putin wins by big margin

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Evangelion, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. Pudney

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    Considering the two of you agree then either 1) it was baiting and you've still responded to the baiting or 2) it was baiting but not aimed at you or 3) bearing in mind some of the posts in the GD thread about the Russian involvement in poisoning it was a fair assessment of some of the posters in said GD thread (not you).
     
  2. mrbazmondo

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  3. ubersonic

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    Correct, IMO we should have waited until today, then applied our response while mocking him for yet another poor election performance, not handed him the career highlight he wanted.
     
  4. ubersonic

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    I love the way you quote him, mock him, then completely agree with him. Somebody didn't have their weetabix XD
     
  5. Gigabit

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    No, he was calling Corbyn fans Putin sympathisers. I was pointing out that I - like most - condemn Russia.
     
  6. D.P.

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    Well Putin deserved deserves a good win after disappointing results at his Pennsylvania special election and the recent loss of the Alabama sentae seat to a Democrat. 2017 and 2018 havent gone so we'll for his elections compared to his stabdost 2016 sucesses.
     
  7. 4K8KW10

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    Republicans: Let's Make America great again! ; America First;
    Democrats: Let's export "democracy" everywhere around the world! Hello Syria, Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Eastern Europe.....
     
  8. Dolph

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    I did not at any point mention corbyn, you simply made that up in your head. There have been plenty of useful idiots posting recently around the Russia issues.

    There are two America themed posts directly above this one :)
     
  9. Evangelion

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    * Bay of Pigs Invasion: 'Let's export democracy to Cuba' — Eisenhower (Republican) and Kennedy (Democrat)
    * Vietnam War: 'Let's export democracy to Vietnam' — Johnson (Democrat) and Nixon (Republican)
    * Bombing of Cambodia: 'Let's export democracy to Cambodia' — Nixon (Republican)
    * Second Gulf War: 'Let's export democracy to Iraq' — Bush Jr (Republican)
    * Second Afghan War: 'Let's export democracy to Afghanistan' — Bush Jr (Republican)

    ^^ Looks like Republicans are more fond of 'exporting democracy' than Democrats.

    No American president has tried to 'export democracy' to Syria, Libya, Ukraine, or Eastern Europe, so I don't know what they're doing on your list.
     
  10. ubersonic

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    No, no he wasn't.


    Don't forget they exported dictatorship to Iran in '53 because they already had a democracy, they just love exportin stuff lol.
     
  11. do_ron_ron

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    Johnston only continued what Kennedy started, although still Democrat.

    Libya? I remember from the thread at the time there was a video clip from US TV where an American General was saying on their news show that it was an American operation.
    Syria? What about the American planes bombing? Or the finance and supplies to various groups.
     
  12. Evangelion

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    America's involvement in Libya consisted of a NATO operation to enforce a no-fly zone. The participants in this operation were:

    * Belgium
    * Bulgaria
    * Canada
    * Denmark
    * France
    * Greece
    * Italy
    * Netherlands
    * Norway
    * Romania
    * Spain
    * United Kingdom
    *United States

    There was no invasion, no attempt to achieve regime change, and no attempt to 'export democracy.'

    Under Obama, the original purpose of America's intervention in Syria was to combat ISIS. There was no invasion, no attempt to achieve regime change, and no attempt to 'export democracy.' Obama did say that Bashar Assad 'must go', but stressed that this decision had to be made by the Syrian people.

    In April 2017, Trump departed from this mission by authorising an air strike on a Syrian government military base. Since then, he has maintained a US presence in Syria with the aim of countering Iranian influence and removing Assad from power (though there has been no talk of imposing democracy). However, the US military has quietly conceded that regime change in Syria is unlikely, because it would result in the collapse of government.
     
  13. do_ron_ron

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  14. Evangelion

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    No it wasn't. Achieving regime change requires an invasion, not a few bombing runs and a no-fly zone.

    The aim here was to force a ceasefire and protect civilians:

    (Source).

    There was no suggestion of the West forcing regime change. The goal was always to weaken Gaddafi's military strength, and reduce his support among Libyans.

    NATO never bombed Gaddafi's palace.

    * two NATO missiles hit a compound owned by Gaddafi, without causing any casualties
    * NATO bombed a compound owned by his youngest son, inadvertently killing Gaddafi's second-youngest son, and three grandchildren under 12
     
  15. Dis86

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    If we'd done that the government would have been lambasted for lack of action.
     
  16. ubersonic

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    Appart from the bit where we achieved a regime change of course, lol.
     
  17. Evangelion

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    But we didn't. We enforced a no fly zone; we didn't put a single soldier on the ground. It was the rebels who overthrew Gaddafi.
     
  18. Washout

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    Not sure why the Yanks are getting the blame for Libya? That was an Anglo-French enterprise they kind of got dragged into.
    Pretty sure Obama wanted no part although admits they dropped the ball with what to do after. I guess with these things you either commit fully or stay away.
     
  19. Nasher

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    Yea and then shoed him to death.
     
  20. do_ron_ron

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    Really???? So the US and UK did not achieve regime change in Iran, overthrowing the democratically elected Govt and put in their man the Shah, without actually invading?

    Course it was, :rolleyes:. Nothing to do with destroying one side of the conflict's forces while helping the other side.

    Sorry what part of this was to "protect civilians". Targeted the property of Gadaffi but, honest. was not trying to kill him. :rolleyes: