I'd also take Henry over RvN or RvP. But then, I'd probably also take Bergkamp over the lot of them, so I don't really know whether I'm helping or not.
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I'd also take Henry over RvN or RvP. But then, I'd probably also take Bergkamp over the lot of them, so I don't really know whether I'm helping or not.
Thats the second person in this thread to spout this rubish, if Fergie could resign any of those first three in their primes tomorrow he'd have his cheque book flapping like a flag in a Hurricane. There is plenty of room in the modern game for strikers that score crap loads of goals ask Brendan Rodgers how much he's pay for a new Robbie Fowler or Ian Rush!
To put Andy 'The Donkey' Carroll in the same comparison is just bonkers as he is nowhere near the goal scorer that any of those three were.
I dont need to prove anything, what cm1179 was saying was tosh
Yes quite obviously they could play together and cm was chatting crap, but that said you try to back it up with two videos
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I dont need to prove anything, what cm1179 was saying was tosh
well, no, it isn't tosh.
Yes quite obviously they could play together and cm was chatting crap, but that said you try to back it up with two videos
Well I sure as hell wasn't going to try and find goals/assists per game for the pair for games back in 2004/2005
Well yes it was.
What?
RVN would be fantastic as the main front man in the 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-2-3-1/etc/etc formations that all teams play these days. He would literally score a bajillion goals if you put him up front for, say, Arsenal (sorry, best example I could think of, as we play that formation). Literally.
The entire job of that front guy is to sit in the box and knock it into the onion bag. RVN did that in spades.
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I think you'll find that in most cases in a 4-5-1 the guy upfront has to do significantly more than just tap the ball in and that a 4-4-2 is far far more suited to a goal hanging goal tap artist.
How many times did Drogba spear head a 4-5-1, did he only tap it in? No, he was on his own for much of a game, he needed to muscle the defenders, go long, drop deep, pick up and hold onto the ball till he gets support, get the ball and play others in as they race up the pitch and beyond the defence. How did Torres, a more notorious RVN type mostly finisher do in that same setup? How did he do with Gerrard working as a withdrawn striker but effectively right behind him?
Other 4-5-1 guys, Ibra at Barca got 15 assists... it wasn't because he played the tap in artist, like Drogba he won the ball, bullied defenders and held it up for others and played others in behind the defence constantly. RVP did more finishing and less holding it up largely as he was less strong, but dropping deep to get the ball and being an outball who could hold it and play in others was a huge part of what he did.
4-4-2 lends itself to a striker who holds it up and an out and out finisher(though works just as well with two strikers who can do either comfortably), 4-5-1 absolutely doesn't lend itself to a pure finisher, at all. Defoe, Torres, Hernandez.... none of whom shine under such a system.... who are all very much like RVN in their game, the best strikers who shine in such a system, Drogba, RVP, Ibra, Lorrente, Ade, Aguero, Tevez.
Some if not all of those players are great finishers, all of them have MUCH more to their game, and short or tall all of those guys do a huge amount of work for the team and spend loads of time holding it up and bringing others into the game.
RVN isn't your archtype 4-5-1 lead striker at all.
How many times did Drogba spear head a 4-5-1, did he only tap it in? No, he was on his own for much of a game, he needed to muscle the defenders, go long, drop deep, pick up and hold onto the ball till he gets support, get the ball and play others in as they race up the pitch and beyond the defence. How did Torres, a more notorious RVN type mostly finisher do in that same setup? How did he do with Gerrard working as a withdrawn striker but effectively right behind him?
Other 4-5-1 guys, Ibra at Barca got 15 assists... it wasn't because he played the tap in artist, like Drogba he won the ball, bullied defenders and held it up for others and played others in behind the defence constantly. RVP did more finishing and less holding it up largely as he was less strong, but dropping deep to get the ball and being an outball who could hold it and play in others was a huge part of what he did.
4-4-2 lends itself to a striker who holds it up and an out and out finisher(though works just as well with two strikers who can do either comfortably), 4-5-1 absolutely doesn't lend itself to a pure finisher, at all. Defoe, Torres, Hernandez.... none of whom shine under such a system.... who are all very much like RVN in their game, the best strikers who shine in such a system, Drogba, RVP, Ibra, Lorrente, Ade, Aguero, Tevez.
Some if not all of those players are great finishers, all of them have MUCH more to their game, and short or tall all of those guys do a huge amount of work for the team and spend loads of time holding it up and bringing others into the game.
RVN isn't your archtype 4-5-1 lead striker at all.
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Going by the metrics from the image in your original post, it would have to be Van Nistelrooy as Van Persie probably doesn't have enough time left in his career to get 150+ United goals.
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