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Ryzen 1700 - lower fps after overclock

Nutty_Death

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Edit. This is because of a well reported adjusted vcore issue where a 1700 runs at 1550mhz.



I've been playing around with over clocking my new 1700. To see what its limits are I went to 4ghz with 1.4v and it booted fine.
I then tried 4.1ghz just for fun, same voltage and still booted fine.
Cpuz showed the correct speed and I ran the cpu stress test for a few mins, just to check obvious stability issues.
Anyway, when I tried playing bf1 the fps seriously tanked vs stock.
Why is this? Perhaps it wasn't getting enough power?

I know ive not been methodical in finding the correct volts or testing stability properly.

Using the MSI mortar, which has been fairly simple to adjust voltages with.
 
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Pointless to try 4.0-4.1 on this mobo and 1700... It's nowhere near stability :rolleyes: you should be happy if you get 3.8-3.9.
 
Booting into windows don't equal fine :D
It's a very very small chance of getting 4.0 on 1700 plus motherboard is basic. Also there are some reports (TTL video) that recent batch of those cpus have even difficulties with 3.9.

Temps are too high, board is not managing this high settings, vrms. Probably throttles or it's just not stable to play games correctly :p
 
BF1 is not in a good state currently. Plenty of people with nvidia cards are having issues with framerates and frametimes.
Try something else. But as said, 4.0 is going to be tough to get stable 3.8-3.9 is more realistic. Concentrate on ram speeds and ram timings more than clockspeed.
 
Load temps? Throttling? Need way more info. Owners thread is your friend, loads of resource in there.

There are not going to be many people on here thinking that 4.1 is going to fly on a 1700, focus on getting 3.9 stable first with the proper tests etc.
 
Again I was just seeing what might be possible. Doing boundary testing and I was surprised that it didn't just fail straight away.
Temps were fine and clocks were being reported as correct speed so must have been something else.

I'll play around at lower frequencies and find a sweet spot.

Also can you all please stop saying I've got a basic motherboard :p they don't make high end matx boards yet...
 
Nobody said you have a basic motherboard lol.
It makes no difference either way in my experience. My dog of a 1700 will only do 3.8 in a b350 tomahawk and in the flagship crosshair hero 6.
It does appear you have a better cpu than me however, I can't get into windows at 4.0 1.4v.
 
As stated above, I think BF1 is to blame. Loads of people getting FPS drops and stuttering across different systems.
 
Haven't done any benchmarks yet. I'll be more methodical next time I'm free to play with this. Start from stock and go from there.

BF1 is comparatively slow at 4.1ghz to stock. At stock it plays fine.

Anyway from what you've all said, it was just an unstable overclock. I'll report back when I've found the sweet spot.
 
Bf1 has big problems with newer nvidia drivers. Many find going back to older versions helps, as does turning off unwanted options.

I run my 1700 at 3.675 as it only uses 1.2v max, keeps the temps low on the stock cooler and maxes out my gpu while only using about 30% cpu in game. If you can get your ram running at about 3000 or more that helps with overall performance a lot with ryzen.
 
DarkHorizon472 said:
Bf1 has big problems with newer nvidia drivers. Many find going back to older versions helps, as does turning off unwanted options.

I run my 1700 at 3.675 as it only uses 1.2v max, keeps the temps low on the stock cooler and maxes out my gpu while only using about 30% cpu in game. If you can get your ram running at about 3000 or more that helps with overall performance a lot with ryzen.
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Suggestions with what options/drivers can reduce stutter? Since the windows 10 update a few of us have been experiencing random stutters here and there.
 
Deaths_Calling said:
I've been playing around with over clocking my new 1700. To see what its limits are I went to 4ghz with 1.4v and it booted fine.
I then tried 4.1ghz just for fun, same voltage and still booted fine.
Cpuz showed the correct speed and I ran the cpu stress test for a few mins, just to check obvious stability issues.
Anyway, when I tried playing bf1 the fps seriously tanked vs stock.
Why is this? Perhaps it wasn't getting enough power?

I know ive not been methodical in finding the correct volts or testing stability properly.

Using the MSI mortar, which has been fairly simple to adjust voltages with.
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What is your RAM, speeds & subtimings. 2133 to 3200 for example is almost 40% in performance gains.
 
gavinh87 said:
Suggestions with what options/drivers can reduce stutter? Since the windows 10 update a few of us have been experiencing random stutters here and there.
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If you go on the official bf1 ea forum it is mentioned a lot on there. General advice is turn off game mode, super fetch, the option letting Microsoft use your machine to update others over the internet , av or similar updating in the background and anything similar. When fps dives check in task manager what is using cpu and see if you can disable / turn it off. I have an amd card so only briefly read the suggestions on which nvidia driver to avoid and options to turn off.

Many issues came from low spec machines and having only 8gb of ram etc. Main thing is make sure nothing additional is running in the background playing bf1. I only have bf1 and Skype running apart from base windows.
 
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Spent 10mins playing with overclocks again this evening. Installed HWMonitor and it looks like when I change vcore from auto my clocks are getting stuck at 1550. Just reading about it now as it seems like other people have had the same issue and not necessarily brand specific... odd. Anyway, want to try and diagnose this asap to work out if I need to send a motherboard back.

This is probably why I got the weird 4.1ghz results, where it would boot and then fps tanked in BF1 (comparatively, i've said several times it runs fine with auto clocks)
 
Deaths_Calling said:
Spent 10mins playing with overclocks again this evening. Installed HWMonitor and it looks like when I change vcore from auto my clocks are getting stuck at 1550. Just reading about it now as it seems like other people have had the same issue and not necessarily brand specific... odd. Anyway, want to try and diagnose this asap to work out if I need to send a motherboard back.

This is probably why I got the weird 4.1ghz results, where it would boot and then fps tanked in BF1 (comparatively, i've said several times it runs fine with auto clocks)
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4.1Ghz is the max for many 1800Xs let alone the 1700. Ease it off to 4Ghz. MSI Mortar while good board, ain't the best B350 ones for such extreme overclocking.
Even the mighty B350 Strixx can only get to 4.05Ghz.

And follow @Ste advice. Use voltage offset and keep vcore at normal.
 
Tried the latest beta bios 1.62 and it appears to have fixed this.
Booted with a manual vcore set and the clocks at stock.
This evening I'll play around with overclock.

If the issue comes back I'll use vofset as was suggested. Thanks
 
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