Ryzen 1700x upgrade - real life benefit?

[katie279]

Hi all!

Quick question if I may. My 'grunt PC' that I use for work, video, photos, games and so on is running on a Ryzen 1700x that you all recommended to me years ago.

It's all running fine and not laggy, I'm just wondering how far CPUs have come in the last 5-6 years.

Can anyone give me a sense of how much faster tasks like photoshop, video editing and so on would be with a brand new processor? (say £500-800 CPU range?)

A lot of the sites I've looked at seem to give generic 'ratings' which don't really mean anything - what I'd be keen to understand is where a render takes 1 min, would it now take 50 secs or 5 secs!

Just trying to get a sense of whether a modern CPU would be 20% faster or 200% in most tasks! (and thus is it worth thinking about upgrades!)

 

[katie279]

Ah that's brilliant! So basically a 2700 is not really worth it, but 5800x looks like I could half a lot of the rendering/processing time....!

Thank you so much, very helpful!

 

[katie279]

Sometime last year help was being requested for a boot issue or something, and I have a good memory for PC stuff. It is a blessing and a curse.

You're amazing! Spot on!

So what's the difference in real terms between a 5800x, 5900x and a 5950X.

Definitely feels like an easy upgrade...?

 

[katie279]

I read this thread and thought yeah a 5800x will give you a massive upgrade. I had not even considered the 5900x and 5950x that for professional tasks will give another huge upgrade. When compared to an 8 core 1700x then in general the 5800x is 100% faster , 5900x 150% faster , 5950x 200% faster for professional tasks.

You may want to instal hwmonitor and see how much power your cpu is pulling when running a full core load. The X370/B350 mobos did not have as beefy heatsinks as the later X570/B550 mobos and for reference a 5800x draws approx 120W ( 5700x is almost same chip with lower power settings and is a better option if buying new) , 5900x 180x and 5950x 200w (the best cores were reserved for the 16 core part so could run with less power). You will need a mobo with sufficient vrms and cooling on them to run cpus with higher power draw so is good to know what it has so far been handling. You may also need better cooler as well so Thermalright Peerless assassin is a good option for £45 , you will need to search for it.

Cool - great stats, thanks for this! I'll check the 5900x and 5990x and compare price differences - that sounds like an easy booster!

Definitely can upgrade the cooler, forget what I installed (@Journey will probably know! ) but definitely wasn't stock.

Regarding power draw, think I've got a Corsair hx850i, so would 'think' that should be plenty?

 

[katie279]

It's called stalking.

Ah, the world needs more stalkers like Journey then - he can stalk me any time, you know creeping up with that good advice and helpful tips!

 

[katie279]

Your psu will be fine , that is not the point I was trying to make. With the cpu drawing more power it is not just the psu that has to supply it , those Watts have to pass through the VRMs and they need to be upto the task. Early X370/B350 mobos were not as well made as later X570/B550 so it is something that is a consideration, can your vrms handle the increased power useage or will they throttle the cpu when they overheat. I just looked at the Gigabyte website and that mobo only has limited heatsinks , I would say a 5700x is the most sensible upgrade and do not be tempted by the higher core count 5900x/5950x, that mobo was not designed to handle that high a cpu power draw imho.

Ah right - interesting, so what would be the effect, would it just not work even though the MB was rated for it?

 

[katie279]

Heheheh! Very true sir, very true - I'm like a little ray of sunshine, sent to annoy Ron-ski!

Well I'm not worried about my board, I'm just wanting to push it as far as it'll go (next time would have to be a complete motherboard upgrade)

So we have a vote from the expert gents required:
5900 non x
5700x
3900x

What's your votes for a final upgrade to this motherboard?

 

[katie279]

Perfect - ok the 5700x it is then, eyes peeled!

 

[katie279]

Well thanks, although for 3d graphics (I've done them for 25 years or so), I've always found it more cost effective and user friendly to have a central rig and then use the excess money to build a render farm (ie multiple relatively modern CPUs tend to demolish one brand new one in cost to photons ratio?)

As Journey says, money isn't really an issue (other than wanting a decent ROI balance of outlay), but time is also a factor - ie swapping a CPU Vs a complete build.

Oh and 'he' is a she......

 

[katie279]

5950x 16c 32 threads is then the best choice of all for cost of 400 providing over 70% higher single core performance than 1700x and 3xbetter performance in photoshop/video editing tasks , not to mention power usage at almost unchanged level

Oh that's interesting, but does the previous poster's point around vrm limits on my MB not matter or do you think it'd be ok?

 

[katie279]

Ok having checked prices - I think the 5800x seems only a little more than the 5700x, so I think I might plump for that one.

Sorry one more question - I spotted a 5800x3d - what's this compared to the 5800x!? Is it a meaningful difference?

 

[katie279]

Ah right, ok 5700x it is then!

 

[katie279]

You will need to update the motherboard bios so the new CPU works .

I 'think' I should be ok as I did that pretty recently, but good point, I'll double-check!

 

[katie279]

Make sure that by updating you don't lose support for your current CPU, if it needs updated I'd do so once your 5700X arrives.

Ooh I never realised that could happen with bios upgrades, seems silly, but I'll wait as you say!!

 

[katie279]

My PSU is Corsair 850w, so should be fine either way?

Glad you guys are working this out, wouldn't have a chance myself!

 

[katie279]

Ok, so let's flip this around for debate then, if I went with a MB upgrade and chip and so on, what would the outlay be there and how much more grunt would it buy?

I'm not adverse to upgrading more, just be keen to understand if £129 gets me say 70% more power, then what would the best MB upgrade get me?

 

[katie279]

Brilliant Haz! Thank you, that's really useful rough estimates.

Based on that, it seems a little tempting to push to 5900x for an extra £100 or so for the 50% extra.

Know it's a rough art, but if directionally correct then seems like it's just as much time doing the upgrade as 5700x, so no time loss and a decent bit extra power/speed which will probably be worth it...?

 

[katie279]

What exact tasks are you doing? If you're doing rendering with blender, for example, you can scroll down to the blender chart here:

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU

AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is everything that gamers want: eight fast cores, in a single CCD, with 3D VCache stacked on top at a price point of $450. In our review we can confirm that 7800X3D is indeed the fastest gaming CPU available, beating Intel's 13900K and even the 7950X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

It includes a 5700X, right up to a 7950X, but as said above, not everything will scale to cores in the same way.

As per original post, bit of everything - Photoshop, blender, illustrator, some games and so on.

 

[katie279]

I recently went from a 1700 to a 3900x.

Using the same 2080ti, here are some of my benchmark results, everything at stock:

Furmark
1700:13085
3900X: 13005

3D mark:
1700:11158
3900X: 13285

Cinebench
1700: 6085
3900X: 17643

Battlefield 2042 avg fps 4K
1700: 45-60 fps
3900X 60-80 fps

Valley Benchmark
1700: 3585
3900X: 6365

Ah great to see, yes that's pretty much what I'd expect actually (ie 3d rendering tends to be amongst the most CPU optimised and general games less so!)

Great to see!

 

[katie279]

Yeah I get your point entirely, in my job in data I can see whole industries that are created from people believing these myths and/or not understanding basic economics/ROI!

Definitely a fools game to buy in at brand new stage, much like lots of other things!

These forums are great for getting the right balance of price Vs return!