Ryzen 1700x upgrade - real life benefit?

Yeah I get your point entirely, in my job in data I can see whole industries that are created from people believing these myths and/or not understanding basic economics/ROI!

Definitely a fools game to buy in at brand new stage, much like lots of other things!

These forums are great for getting the right balance of price Vs return!
 
mickyflinn said:
Upgrading within a platform doesn't mean it's a waste, in fact it a cost effective way to boost your pc without taking a hit selling your old stuff for peanuts.

I hate this dying technology or dead platform terms, it doesn't mean it won't last for years and perform as putting in a better GPU is usually the biggest increase in gaming performance.
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I 100% agree

Why would a person consider paying close to £1000 just because it's new when they can get something more than capable at say £250 (second hand market makes it even more tempting as well for older platforms)

The main worry I would have is the original posters mboard that is not a good quality board so the likes of 5900 I would not even consider.
 
edGfaCTor said:
I 100% agree

Why would a person consider paying close to £1000 just because it's new when they can get something more than capable at say £250 (second hand market makes it even more tempting as well for older platforms)

The main worry I would have is the original posters mboard that is not a good quality board so the likes of 5900 I would not even consider.
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You saying that @Journey gave me dud advice all those years ago????
 
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katie279 said:
You saying that @Journey gave me dud advice all those years ago????
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I pride myself on giving bad advice, it is one of the only things I am good at, and seem to continually improve in doing throughout my life so far.

I apologise that you have a system that you can easily add in a brand new much more powerful CPU six years down the line, I must stop and chastise myself pretty sure you can 3D-print something to help me with that? :p
 
Journey said:
I pride myself on giving bad advice, it is one of the only things I am good at, and seem to continually improve in doing throughout my life so far.

I apologise that you have a system that you can easily add in a brand new much more powerful CPU six years down the line, I must stop and chastise myself pretty sure you can 3D-print something to help me with that? :p
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I know, I'm disappointed in the quality myself!

Right, I'll need to turn the adult filter off to find that particular item on thingiverse....
 
I went from a 1700 to a 5600x and the difference was massive in everything i did. The. Went to a 5800x which wasnt that much noticeable in day to day use, video encoding was the main benefit. Then went to 5900x and was able to do 2 simultaneous encodes at once which was good and benefit in running multi vms too. But nothing blew me away like going from 1700 to 5600x did. That single core speed boost was epic in stuff like emulation and general usage.
 
Evidently for high end CPUs AMD defaults to reasonably conservative power limits because there are so many motherboards out there requiring them to do so.

On a Gigabyte B450 ITX with 4+2 phase VRMs and a decent VRM heatsink (probably similar enough to the B350 Gaming 3), I tested my 5950X which maxed out the stock TDC at 95A (two threads per core @ ~3.7GHz) and VRM temp rose steadily to 105c which wasn't unexpected considering the ITX case and fan setup I use doesn't result in much airflow to the VRM heatsink.

I increased the power limits to allow TDC to reach 120A (32 threads @ ~4.2GHz) and VRM temp increased to 125c very quickly which again wasn't unexpected and obviously I would need to improve the VRM cooling if I wanted to keep those settings.
 
I would recommend the 5900 for those sort of work loads. I refurbished a PC with the mATX version of your board which I believe does have the same VRMs, and it handles a 3900X fine, also doing similar workloads (Blender, Maya, Photoshop, etc). PBO disabled and eco mode set to 65W for the 3900X. CPU cooler blows over the VRMs so no issues with temps. The 5900 (non X) is 65W at stock so you'll just need to worry about PBO being off as well as enough airflow for the VRMs.
 
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Ok, so I went for the 5900x as saw a good deal and a dark rock pro 4 cooler as few mentioned regarding the heat.

Black screen no bios on boot...

I updated the bios last year, so I'd assumed it was fine, but this could be the problem.

The other thing I don't like is the dark rock pro was wobbly over the CPU when I mounted it - this doesn't seem right, but can see lots of other people saying this (although I can actually read since stupid Reddit is in black out!!)

Any tips on next steps?

Don't really want to reinstall the old CPU unless I have to.

PS someone needs to sort CPU cooler engineers, they're useless - why they have these ridiculous mounts I've no idea, should be two second clip by now.....!
 
katie279 said:
Black screen no bios on boot...
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Assume it was a brand new CPU?

katie279 said:
I updated the bios last year, so I'd assumed it was fine, but this could be the problem.
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I'd 100% re-flash the BIOS again, or at least re-install the old CPU to ensure everything is still working so you can determine what BIOS revision is on the board currently.

EDIT: You'll need the old CPU in to flash the BIOS as well btw. :)
 
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katie279 said:
Ok, so I went for the 5900x as saw a good deal and a dark rock pro 4 cooler as few mentioned regarding the heat.

Black screen no bios on boot...

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The other thing I don't like is the dark rock pro was wobbly over the CPU when I mounted it - this doesn't seem right, but can see lots of other people saying this (although I can actually read since stupid Reddit is in black out!!)
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I assume you pulled battery/cleared CMOS and what not after the CPU was installed?

Incorrect/excessive/uneven mounting pressure can also cause boot problems.
 
Ah, useful to know. Ok tried that to no avail (again which numpty puts the CMOS battery under the GPU!)

Ok taken off the CPU cooler, interestingly the CPU came off with it - should the little lever not hold it in place normally?! Not sure what it's for if it doesn't do that! Wasn't ripping it off, just lifted it gently...?

Anyway, time to reinstall.....
 
The chip coming off with the heatsink is a common AM4 thing unfortunately. It's best to run your machine at a high load for a while to bring temps up before lifting the heatsink.
 
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