ryzen 5 1600 or 1600x

gavinh87 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:14

DarkHorizon472 said:
My Ryzen 1700 machine has been completely disconnected from power for a few days due to construction work in the house.

Booted first time to settings in my sig as it has before when completely disconnected from power, 3.7Ghz and 3466 c15.

Silicon lottery, I had x2 1700's one couldn't even get passed 2933 using same board and ram.
It took months of bios updates to get that to 3200 yet the other was able to do it very early on.

TallPaul1878 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:15

jigger said:
Strange considering both are Asus boards.

I'm baffled. It's so close to my build. Same RAM used, both using ASUS ROG motherboards and his has been out longer than mine so you'd think it is better supported.

I'm thinking possibly that the BIOS update was a buggy one and that we should try again with another newer BIOS update

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:16

SiDeards73 said:
Make sure you order this with your AIO Marco, https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cool...nd-socket-tf4-mounting-bracket-hs-07k-cm.html as im not 100% sure it will be shipped in the box buddy.

the cooler has the brackets in the box already, i double checked on that first

humbug · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:16

jigger said:
Yeah it used to take me weeks and sometimes months to fine tune everything.

PC Hardware Enthusiasts used to take great joy in buying a cheaper part and spending some time setting it up and "fine tuning it" to be as fast or faster than a more expensive part.

Now its like: Ryzen gets faster with faster RAM... the AMD platform has problems....

Bloody Hell! :rolleyes:

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:18

gavinh87 said:
You did the right thing by asking but you'll get opinions from people that dont even have one yet go recommending it based on a few graphs from a youtuber.
That cooler will be fine, the 1700 under a corsair h100i v2 never went above 75c using the silent profile when overclocked to 3.8ghz.

You will be fine, just dont go expecting too high of an overclock and prepare for hit and miss performance in older games.

very true, im not expecting to be able to sore to everest in one day on overclocking even if i just squeeze a few more out of her i'll be happy and from what ive seen on the b350 it has an option to select your ram speed you have inserted so it maintains at that level

gavinh87 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:19

humbug said:
PC Hardware Enthusiasts used to take great joy in buying a cheaper part and spending some time setting it up and "fine tuning it" to be as fast or faster than a more expensive part.

Now its like, Ryzen gets faster with faster RAM... the AMD platform has problems.... Bloody Hell!

I can't wait for you to get one.

gavinh87 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:20

marco.da.man said:
very true, im not expecting to be able to sore to everest in one day on overclocking even if i just squeeze a few more out of her i'll be happy and from what ive seen on the b350 it has an option to select your ram speed you have inserted so it maintains at that level

It does yeah, you might be lucky and 3200 will just work. But there are other tweaks and things to try if it doesnt.
Some people just end up at 2933 because that particular CPU in question cannot do it. The joys of silicon lottery

AndreiD · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:22

Part of getting high RAM speeds seems to be down to the silicon lottery given the amount of variance we see even with Samsung B-die, so ymmv in that regard.
I have one of the earlier samples, from week 9, and getting high ram speeds has been hit and miss for me so far.

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:22

gavinh87 said:
It does yeah, you might be lucky and 3200 will just work. But there are other tweaks and things to try if it doesnt.
Some people just end up at 2933 because that particular CPU in question cannot do it. The joys of silicon lottery

end off day i know ill have a stable system and one that will last

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:25

AndreiD said:
Part of getting high RAM speeds seems to be down to the silicon lottery given the amount of variance we see even with Samsung B-die, so ymmv in that regard.
I have one of the earlier samples, from week 9, and getting high ram speeds has been hit and miss for me so far.

when you say high ram speeds are you meaning at what your ram should be running at, but due to overall system it downgrades it ?

i always thought with ram that having to identical sticks at the same it trhen auto balances it out so you have a level playing field ? or is that not the case in todays ddr4 world ?

humbug · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:26

gavinh87 said:
I can't wait for you to get one.

Sell me yours, you don't need it... not now tho, after Christmas.

gavinh87 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:29

humbug said:
Sell me yours, you don't need it... not now tho, after Christmas.

You don't want mine, its faulty remember?

Just like everyone else that has issues.

gavinh87 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:30

marco.da.man said:
when you say high ram speeds are you meaning at what your ram should be running at, but due to overall system it downgrades it ?

i always thought with ram that having to identical sticks at the same it trhen auto balances it out so you have a level playing field ? or is that not the case in todays ddr4 world ?

You want to aim for 3200mhz on the ram, if this is not achievable you will need to go to a slower speed like 2933,2666 etc.

humbug · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:30

gavinh87 said:
You don't want mine, its faulty remember?
Just like everyone else that has issues.

No, i think i know what's wrong

How much do you want for it? at the right price ill buy it off you in February

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:30

gavinh87 said:
You don't want mine, its faulty remember?
Just like everyone else that has issues.

i wouldnt call them issues or faults, teething problems, but end off day they all have them

gavinh87 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:32

humbug said:
No, i think i know what's wrong

How much do you want for it?

There is nothing wrong, the CPU can not handle cold boots when using 3466 despite being rock solid when booted.
The cpu will be for sale, the board is staying.
I don't know how much. I'll check MM prices closer to the time.

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:33

gavinh87 said:
You want to aim for 3200mhz on the ram, if this is not achievable you will need to go to a slower speed like 2933,2666 etc.

right okay, but if thats the case why dont we all just but the 2933 or 2666 ram why go for the higher one at more money ?

is it cause we hope we can hit those peaks ?

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:35

gavinh87 said:
There is nothing wrong, the CPU can not handle cold boots when using 3466 despite being rock solid when booted.
The cpu will be for sale, the board is staying.
I don't know how much. I'll check MM prices closer to the time.

fiver for it gavin haha

gavinh87 · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:35

marco.da.man said:
right okay, but if thats the case why dont we all just but the 2933 or 2666 ram why go for the higher one at more money ?

is it cause we hope we can hit those peaks ?

Because the performance increase from 2666 to 3200 is a decent one and there isn't much difference in ram prices so its more than worth a try.
For those looking to get ryzen 2, that faster ram should be able to work at rated speed.

marco.da.man · 2 Nov 2017 at 16:36

gavinh87 said:
Because the performance increase from 2666 to 3200 is a decent one and there isn't much difference in ram prices so its more than worth a try.
For those looking to get ryzen 2, that faster ram should be able to work at rated speed.

okay cool fingers crossed then