Salaries and job titles...

NicktheNorse · 6 Sep 2006 at 14:37

Quick question for you, no one I have asked in the "real" world seems to know:

Does having identical job titles entail having identical salaries? I have always thought it was illegal to pay two people who had identical job titles differently (irregardless of sex, btw).

shifty_uk · 6 Sep 2006 at 14:39

I'm not entirely sure, but I wouldn't think so. I believe it depends on experience, amoung other things.

Bar · 6 Sep 2006 at 14:41

No you can have the same job title but different salaries - how else would performance related pay work?

Also that would require that all companies agree a standard salary for a standard job title.

taliesyn · 6 Sep 2006 at 14:43

You can pay anyone whatever you like regardless of their 'job title'. Job title is meaningless.

(Obviously you have to pay them within the bounds of legislation, before anyone points that out

)

reflex · 6 Sep 2006 at 14:44

Im a Sale assistant who is 17 and i got £4.17 an hour.

Sales assistants who do exactly the same job but at 18+ get £5.21 an hour.

:mad:

Sirrel Squirrel · 6 Sep 2006 at 14:47

Is that at Next?

Scuzi · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:07

There are people with the same job title as me who are earning over £100k. They just happen to have been doing it a bit longer than me. I don't think job title has anything to do with it. I believe it comes down to experience, skills, qualifications and the individuals responsibilities.

kaiowas · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:19

I've never understood why people get so hung up about job titles, I barely even have one. Everyone in our office from the management down to the people on the helpdesk is technically a 'consultant'. If asked what my job is I just make up a title on the spot which broadly describes whatever I've been doing recently.

Can be a bit tricky at times though as no-one really wants to employ a "Senior forum browser"

Jonny69 · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:20

In engineering it's a big booboo to ask about someone's salary. Everyone is on something different but doing the same job and usually to the same ability. At Marconi there were graduates coming in straight from university without a clue about real world stuff on as much as guys who had come in on a job-for-life in the 70's and 80's. It used to get their back up a bit.

HTMLHugo · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:23

Jonny69 said:
In engineering it's a big booboo to ask about someone's salary. Everyone is on something different but doing the same job and usually to the same ability. At Marconi there were graduates coming in straight from university without a clue about real world stuff on as much as guys who had come in on a job-for-life in the 70's and 80's. It used to get their back up a bit.

aint it a kick in the teeth though

this happens a lot at my place of work, im generally not affected by it but i feel bad for smoe of my colleagues who have less experience as me and get beaten the wage front by some new guy who will take 6 months to train to make him useful.

just have to avert eyes and not mention it

Rotty · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:24

NicktheNorse said:
Quick question for you, no one I have asked in the "real" world seems to know:

Does having identical job titles entail having identical salaries? I have always thought it was illegal to pay two people who had identical job titles differently (irregardless of sex, btw).

not at all , many companies use perfotrmance related pay and as such poeple in the same job are paid differently

callmeBadger · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:34

As long as the company can justify why two people with the same job title and description get paid differently and it has nothing to do with Race / Faith / orientation / or of any other form of discrimination then there is nothing illegal in it.

Chronos-X · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:36

Yeah - you'll only get told this by an employer as an excuse

KaHn · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:36

Sirrel Squirrel said:
Is that at Next?

iirc Nick has just accepted a job with the renualt f1 team.

KaHn

Sirrel Squirrel · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:42

KaHn said:
iirc Nick has just accepted a job with the renualt f1 team.

KaHn

I meant Reflex, I recognised the salaries he stated as being very similar to the ones I was on when I worked for Next 2 years ago.

alx · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:46

KaHn said:
iirc Nick has just accepted a job with the renualt f1 team.

KaHn

Think he was referring to reflex's post.

Dave M · 6 Sep 2006 at 15:53

It is illegal to pay someone less because of their sex or race - anything else (including 'they asked for more at the interview' is fair game.

dual2max · 6 Sep 2006 at 16:09

Telescopi said:
It is illegal to pay someone less because of their sex or race - anything else (including 'they asked for more at the interview' is fair game.

Not when it comes to selling our bodies. Weather its the catwalk, magazine cover or the bedroom, women will always earn more than men. Also true for most professional sports.

iraiguana · 6 Sep 2006 at 17:25

No, that is not true, two people performing same roles may get paid different amounts for reasons such as experience and educational advancements.

Good example would be accountants working in firms, they get qualified all to the same level but are individually assesed to the amount that the company would pay them to stay, they have the option of take or leave it and this does not break any laws.

NicktheNorse · 6 Sep 2006 at 18:50

cool, you guys confirmed what me and some guys at work talked about earlier today, even though it contradicted what I've thought in the long run.

The question cropped up in my corner of the office, and I linked it to the matter of redundancies - if you make someone redundant you can't hire a new person with the same job title, this at least I'm sure is the law.

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