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Sandy Bridge experience on Arma2 (from Q6600)

Is an extra 8fps worth £300-400 odd quid?.....and even that took an extra 1.1Ghz Cpu speed.

Unimpressed.....

Dont buy Sandybridge just for games seems to be the message here....

If you read the accompanying text you will see that the differences during normal gameplay are much more profound. There is something strange in the way that benchmark is made. Minimum framerate of 25fps was frequently encountered during actual online play and now in the same areas is up to around 45 or more making it actually comforable to play. It makes a very profound difference indeed. I know the GPU is holding performance back too and as stated that will be the next upgrade. For my system though the processor really needed to be upgraded before I spent any more money on other things. I may consider a GTX570 as I'm not sure when the next lot of GPUs are due?

I may try lowering the clock to 3.2ghz for comparison but it won't be for a couple of days as i'm away for the weekend. :)
 
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Very interesting comparison would love to see a Q6600 @3.6 ghz comparison.

+1 I'd be really interested to see this. From reading these boards there were a few people with Q6*** @ 3.5/3.6 who were going to upgrade. I've got a Q6700 @ 3.6 and would love to know how much better Sandybridge would perform in games like total war.

Edit- thanks for the mini review from the OP. I can see why people want equal clockspeed comparisons but for me if a chip can do 4.2ghz as easily as mine can do 3.6 then i'd rather see that comparison
 
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I like the bit where it says about the vCore being 1.195v... at 4.3GHz!!

That's amazing!! Impressively low voltages there... What's the temps like after the benching session?

Yes I was very impressed by this overclock given the very low voltages. The CPU temperature is around 30 degrees when the benchmark is running and drops to 18 degrees when it finishes (it's reasonably cold in this room at the moment).

@all
This was never meant to be a test of the efficiency of Sandy Bridge but simply some impressions on how it has impacted the performance of my system. Given the Vcore and temperatures are very low on the overclock I have no doubt whatsoever that I will be able to push it further (should I want to). The Q6600 would simply not go past about 3.2Ghz for whatever reason.

I have just had a look at the Fraps counter on the Arrowhead benchmark since a lot of you seem to be ignoring the accompanying text and just looking straight at the figures. Something is seriously buggered with that benchmark because the minimum framerate of around 26fps is only there for literally a fraction of a second. This is when it pans into an area for the first time very rapidly and this is not something you would ever encounter during the actual gameplay. As testiment to this, within the same second it's running at over 40fps!!! So don't look too much into the minimum frame rates there. As I've said it makes a huge difference (from unplayable ~25 to playable 45+) in a lot of 'real' situations. Afraid I need to go now and will be able to update on Sunday evening at the earliest.
 
Yes I was very impressed by this overclock given the very low voltages. The CPU temperature is around 30 degrees when the benchmark is running and drops to 18 degrees when it finishes (it's reasonably cold in this room at the moment).

@all
This was never meant to be a test of the efficiency of Sandy Bridge but simply some impressions on how it has impacted the performance of my system. Given the Vcore and temperatures are very low on the overclock I have no doubt whatsoever that I will be able to push it further (should I want to). The Q6600 would simply not go past about 3.2Ghz for whatever reason.

I have just had a look at the Fraps counter on the Arrowhead benchmark since a lot of you seem to be ignoring the accompanying text and just looking straight at the figures. Something is seriously buggered with that benchmark because the minimum framerate of around 26fps is only there for literally a fraction of a second. This is when it pans into an area for the first time very rapidly and this is not something you would ever encounter during the actual gameplay. As testiment to this, within the same second it's running at over 40fps!!! So don't look too much into the minimum frame rates there. As I've said it makes a huge difference (from unplayable ~25 to playable 45+) in a lot of 'real' situations. Afraid I need to go now and will be able to update on Sunday evening at the earliest.

Ultimately anecdotal thoughts also matter, and you have clearly stated that its made a difference to your gaming because the minimum framerate is better.

hard factual benches are all very nice but actual end user thoughts are very important too so than you for sharing them.
 
Interesting and ta for the mini review chap. ArmA 2 is great PC game, not too many PC centric military shooters about nowadays.


ArmA 2 OA manual says...

The Visibility - this option is mostly dependent on your CPU performance.

Fillrate Optimizer - this option is mostly related to the performance of your GPU.
 
Cheers for the review. :)

I have a 6600 and will definately be changing soon to a 2500k. Will be able to try Arma 2 again then as could not get decent frame rates before. Will Xfire my graphics cards too and that should do it.
 
q6600 old technology.
sure its a good cpu, but it wont do 4.3ghz in 1.3vcore.
it also wouldnt do 4.5ghz.
or 4.8ghz.

I use a i7 950, at 4ghz, a sandy makes it likely 4.6ghz at same voltage.
that is 600mhz more with a more effective ipc clock for clock.
the new cpu smokes the old ones.;)
 
On the flip side, how long will a Q6600 at 3.6ghz keep running?

My Q9450 overclock @3.2 wont post anymore except at its original 2.6, hence why Im going SB! Got it of the auction site yrs ago, maybe pushed to hard buy prev owner?
 
On behalf of my head and heart, thank you very much for taking the time to post your first day impressions of your new setup. As someone currently running a Q9400 @3.8 this is very relevant to me.

On behalf of my bank balance, really wish you hadn't posted it! I was happy with my setup after Christmas changes (Crossfired 4870s to 5870 & 3 screens) but now I can feel upgrade-itis clutching again. :D

Seriously - thanks for taking the time, it is very much appreciated.
 
Interesting little review there. Good also that you took the time to respond and explain the 'weird' thing with the min frame rate. Some people just seem to see the figures and never care for explanations (but rather jump to their own, often unsupported, conclusions).
 
I expected a bigger difference than that. You can probably get much more than 3.2 from that Q6600 as well. I've had one running at 3.60 for over a year now :)

On a side note all my components benchmark at 7.4 on windows benchmark (with the q6600 setup), so I think I have a good balance at the moment :D
 
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Thanks for the review PCM2, I was a great read and It's always good to read the opinions of people who actually own the hardware as well as professional review sites.

And you hit the nail on the head. Benchmarks aren't everything, they don't tell the whole story. I noticed the same when upgrading from my 4870x2 to the 6950, in benchmarks the 4870x2 would perfrom nearly as well, but in actual gameplay the 6950 is much faster.

To the people asking the OP to run his Q6600 at 3.6Ghz, well he has already stated that He tried to go higher and it won't. Not all CPU's overclock the same. I have a Q6600 that's supposed to be a great overclocker, but, no matter what I do it isn't stable beyond 3.1Ghz.

Also some people are mentioning the 1.1Ghz clock difference and saying that the scores aren't so good. Well the OP again did say that in actual gameplay the 2500k is way faster. But even looking at the scores I would say that the the 2500k is way better than the Q6600. For example, in the night fight benchmark at 6500m, you can say that there is only 8fps increase in min framerates and say that it's pretty poor. But, if you look at it another way the minimum framerate has more than doubled by using the 2500k. Doubling the frame rates is pretty good result in any benchmarks.

Then the 2500k uses way less power even with a massive overclock. It stays pretty cool as well. Which are other reasons you might want to consider upgrading from the Q6600. And if you read any of the reviews, you will see that in any application the 2500k is way faster than the Q6600.

And despite everything I said above, I am still on the fence about upgrading to sandy bridge. Because the Q6600 is a great CPU, it's starting to show it's age though.

PCM2, your review here has pushed me closer to the "buy" button. The min framerates are showing great improvement.

I've got the itch, but I must resist!!!! My Q6600 is still performing I must remind myself!

LOL, yeah me too, but every review and user opinion I read makes it harder and harder to resist.
 
LOL, yeah me too, but every review and user opinion I read makes it harder and harder to resist.

The way I resist the tempation is to remind myself that whilst my Q6600 is lasting another generation, when I do eventually have to retire it I will (hopefully) be getting an even faster processor than those new shiney ones that are tempting me now.

By saving money not upgrading now I am also more inclined to blow more money on newer stuff later. It is a false saving but who cares :p.
 
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