"Scene Tax"

Janesy B said:
There's still loads of them at car shows, I think most are just garage queens now because they're worth so much.
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More likely because they're now owned by fat balding middle aged blokes who throw money at them trying to build the 'Scort' they couldn't afford and didn't have the talent to do when they were younger. Then never drive them the way they should. They'll do a quick burnout for the Classic Ford article while pulling that WTF? face that was invented by Loaded or Max Power magazine, claim they've done the 'South London Look' and then put it back in the garage for another 6 months.
 
Jonny69 said:
More likely because they're now owned by fat balding middle aged blokes who throw money at them trying to build the 'Scort' they couldn't afford and didn't have the talent to do when they were younger. Then never drive them the way they should. They'll do a quick burnout for the Classic Ford article while pulling that WTF? face that was invented by Loaded or Max Power magazine, claim they've done the 'South London Look' and then put it back in the garage for another 6 months.
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The classic entire Ford scene summarised in one short paragraph :D
 
Take the Escort Cosworth as an example. Was never really that great at Rallying. Both Lancia and Toyota's of that generation are a lot cheaper than a similar Cosworth. Infact the Celica Gt4 was more expensive new than a Escort Cosworth at the time, more powerful and better equipped.
 
I guess classic parts would always demand a premium.
Vag and jdm parts always seem to be disgustingly expensive but I guess there are always alternative parts to go for in these areas and copies or none OE parts are still manufactured.
Problem with a classic part is that the likelihood of availability is slimmer due to it being discontinued rather than it just having to be shipped a large distance
 
adam cool dude said:
Take the Escort Cosworth as an example. Was never really that great at Rallying. Both Lancia and Toyota's of that generation are a lot cheaper than a similar Cosworth. Infact the Celica Gt4 was more expensive new than a Escort Cosworth at the time, more powerful and better equipped.
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A fine example is the 1994 Subaru Impreza Turbo.

What does an Escort Cosworth do better that justifies £15k versus £1500?
 
Very good point fox. Never thought about that before.


Check this out too:
http://www.vtecdirect.com/online/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?seo=item--Mugen-Oil-Filter--15400-XK5B-0000

In contrast I bought a filter for my gti-6
Genuine peugeot job, 4 quid delivered yesterday.
The price of the above is what I would spend on filters If i had driven 60k on standard oil or 120k if I use fully synthetic.
Which i do.
Therefore thats more on one filter than my car would need so far in its entire 13 year old life.
Mental
 
[TW]Fox;22035448 said:
A fine example is the 1994 Subaru Impreza Turbo.

What does an Escort Cosworth do better that justifies £15k versus £1500?
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The problem is imprezas are everywhere, i see them daily, yet i don't think i've laid eyes on more than about 3 Escort Cosworths this year.

It has nothing to do with which is technically better.
 
Iamzod said:
The problem is imprezas are everywhere, i see them daily, yet i don't think i've laid eyes on more than about 3 Escort Cosworths this year.

It has nothing to do with which is technically better.
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Case in point. The Celica GT4 is just as rare as the Cossie (maybe even more) yet a perfect example is going to set you back 6-7k and that's top end. You might see Imprezas every day just like I see escorts every day. Seeing a classic shape STi although not a rare sight like the Celica and Ford they are not common by any means.

Performance Fords have always had this crazy scene tax on them.
 
Dogbreath said:
Jap tuning stuff has to be about the worst ever for scene tax. Stick a Mugen badge onto just about anything and you can add a zero to the end of the price tag.
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Not browse the parts catalog long for your EP3 then? :D

You can get the knock off stuff, but even that's overpriced and shocking quality at times
 
adam cool dude said:
The Celica GT4 is just as rare as the Cossie (maybe even more) yet a perfect example is going to set you back 6-7k and that's top end
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GT4 parts can also be very very expensive though. I guess it is the nature of the car really. our Tech manager at OcUK drives one and has been recently showing me the prices of suspension parts that he needs to replace soon.

needless to say, it was eye-wateringly expensive. but I guess the car is not exactly common is it
 
its the suspension bits on those that are dear. one of our tech guys has one

he did an uprated clutch and flywheel which cost well into four figures but its all the suspension parts that are getting him down
 
Dogbreath said:
The only thing I would really like to do is a re-map to get rid of the annoying flat spot before VTEC. I'm far too old for noisy exhausts etc. ;)
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Agreed on both counts. With the costs involved though I need to weigh up if it's worth just getting a better manifold to 'free it up' a bit. Intake and Exhaust are already done, not sure on the EP3 front but I must say the intake of the Gruppe-M is evil :p
 
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