1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Scottish Independance Referendum 2

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Kyo, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. SPG

    Soldato

    Joined: Jul 28, 2010

    Posts: 5,231

    Single issue party, that will capitulate Scotland back into clan warfare as they have nothing else in common apart from "hating the English"

    Enjoy the future my Ginger friends and please stop drinking so much, we know its bad but hey you have independence and really expensive/late tram system. (oh and a few UK Navel bases for income)
     
  2. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,270

    Literally screaming and frothing about something that barely affects you, must be difficult.
     
  3. PlacidCasual

    Soldato

    Joined: May 13, 2003

    Posts: 5,733

    It is possible to love the Union and desire it's continued existence and think that Scottish seat MP's should not hold certain cabinet positions. This is because the unequal nature of devolution means that Scottish seat MP's get to vote on matters affecting other parts of the UK that are devolved to the Scottish Parliament and thus do not affect their constituencies. This effect is magnified ever further to suggest a Scottish seat MP become cabinet minister for a devolved portfolio.The New Labour devolution process was one the worst pieces of constitutional vandalism from a Government that specialised in constitutional vandalism. Scotland is far from the largest UK region, in terms of population or GDP yet has an unprecedented degree of devolvement. Why doesn't Mercia or Yorkshire or Wales or Northern Ireland deserve equal powers.

    Personally I would like a proper and equal devolution settlement with the English regions and the constituent countries treated equally.

    For reference the UK region sizes as of a couple of years ago.

    Region --Population--%UKPop--GDP
    South East --8,634,750 --13.64%--£249Bn
    London --8,173,941 --12.91%--£378Bn
    North West --7,052,177 --11.14%--£157Bn
    East of England --5,846,965 --9.23%--£146Bn
    West Midlands --5,601,847 --8.85%--£120Bn
    Scotland --5,373,000 -- 8.49%--£127Bn
    South West --5,288,935 --8.35%--£126Bn
    Yorkshire -- 5,283,733 --8.34%--£110Bn
    and the Humber
    East Midlands --4,533,222 --7.16%--£98Bn
    Wales --3,063,456 --4.84%--£56Bn
    North East --2,596,886 --4.10%--£50Bn
    Northern Ireland --1,870,451 --2.95%--£34Bn
    Total --63,319,363

    edit: sorry about the gash formatting of the "table"
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
  4. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,270

    Ahh but that's the English paradox there, you also don't seem to want federalisation either, so what will it be?
     
  5. PlacidCasual

    Soldato

    Joined: May 13, 2003

    Posts: 5,733

    Personally I would be happy for a federalised UK with an equal devolution settlement. With an overarching UK parliament to deal with non devolved matters. I think it would be a huge spur to regional development. The problem is my view of what that looks like would require powers to be taken from the 3 devolved assemblies to aim for a rational set of equal powers to be devolved to all regions. So never going to happen.
     
  6. Uther

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Jun 16, 2005

    Posts: 9,116

    Is it just me missing it or has Ruth Davidson been very quiet lately?
     
  7. chrismscotland

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jul 16, 2009

    Posts: 2,178

    She gave a speech at the Tory conference last week but I believe she’s due to be off on maternity leave soon (possibly already)
     
  8. Bluntwrapped

    Mobster

    Joined: Jun 20, 2011

    Posts: 3,167

    Location: Livingston

    SPG epitomises the state of English nationalism and why the UK is ******.

    ‘500 years’ confirms this if anyone is in any doubt.
     
  9. Bluntwrapped

    Mobster

    Joined: Jun 20, 2011

    Posts: 3,167

    Location: Livingston

    It would do you well to remember the country was divided over its own sovereignty. How many other countries have that problem?

    Could it be the argument for and against only exists in the context of a Union that wishes to prevent it?
     
  10. Heisenberg

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Aug 11, 2012

    Posts: 2,008

    Location: Scotland

    It would do you well to remember that the SNP didn't have a clue what would happen post independence and their white paper was based on made up nonsense. The country was divided by people who have been taken in by the dream of an independent Scotland with everyone better off, and the ones who realised that there was no plan and they couldn't even tell us what we would be spending in the shops. The SNP are an absolute joke.
     
  11. Bluntwrapped

    Mobster

    Joined: Jun 20, 2011

    Posts: 3,167

    Location: Livingston

    Its depressing but the joke is on you my friend.

    Few questions:

    What other country would choose to vote against the sovereignty of its own people?

    Why would Scotland - a small country with enough resources to keep the UK going (for at least 44 of the last 300 years) struggle on its own?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCrone_report

    Why is it ok to face the uncertainties of Brexit under a tory government, but not independence of your own country? How many other countries have struggled in the way you are suggesting?

    Is there anything that can be said to make you reconsider the decision you made in 2014?
     
  12. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,270

    Isn't the special status of the islands with Norway?, quite frankly they would have to seek approval from Westminster to have their own referendum, i'm sure it would be handled in any agreement, the issue ultimately being how Little England supplies Little Shetland at that point, when frankly most of England doesn't even care. (especially the Unionists, ultra lul for that poll into acceptable loses from brexit)

    Who the **** cares about decommissioning, the recent report into oil rig habitation puts full decommissioning as a worst case scenario, leaving the rigs disconnected and possibly just blowing the support structure is all that is required, that not only provides a home safe from overfishing, but doesn't further damage the locale. I imagine it'd be damn sight less expensive than months of unnecessary work.

    Quite frankly it could even be a future tourist site if dealt with appropriately, and i don't trust the UK to do anything correctly in this regard... like ever, going by the last 10 years or so of dysfunctional morons some other morons voted in as government.
     
  13. Nasher

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 22, 2006

    Posts: 11,919

    So they leave the UK, years later realise they are going bankrupt (because if they left now they would), then what? I doubt the UK would help (again) after they just turned their back on them.

    The SNP still hasn't provided any answers on how Scotland would support itself. Oil won't be enough and the demand for oil is going to drop sharply before 2040.
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2018
  14. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,270

  15. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,270

    Pushed specifically by Greenpeace's little stunt and overall worthless existence. Reefs are far better uses for most of the rigs in question, at half/fifth of the cost. It's absolutely stupid to ask taxpayers to pay for something when a solution saves so much while creating breeding grounds in the process.

    **** Greenpeace.
     
  16. Bluntwrapped

    Mobster

    Joined: Jun 20, 2011

    Posts: 3,167

    Location: Livingston

    Why would I need anything up to date. The context is exactly the same as it was 44 years ago (stop Scotland no matter what it takes)

    Shetland would never vote to rUK. The fact you’ve asked about it and whether the “scotch” are going to pay for the decommissioning suggests you have absolutely no idea what you’re asking and talking about.