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Scottish Independance Referendum 2

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Kyo, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. sigma

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    Nope, looks like it's 76% but actually 50% if you take out exports.
     
  2. ubersonic

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    Well, yeah but (another) one o them will be in Wales xD
     
  3. StuBob

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-46259459?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5bf423726c10aa067361037c&Spanish minister: 'UK will split before we do'&2018-11-20T15:35:43.727Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:166c1fe8-9baf-49ce-b6c2-9e2adb876697&pinned_post_asset_id=5bf423726c10aa067361037c&pinned_post_type=share

    Another one debunked again...
     
  4. StriderX

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    Oh ****, that sass. Westminster would have so much more success being legitimate if it didn't constantly use gunboat diplomacy on everything, now it's reaping the consequences when the country desperately needed allies, instead has nothing but enemies.
     
  5. JeditOjanen

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    Another rumour about Scottish independence that was debunked today is the rumour that the SNP are anything other than Tories. Nicola "Leaving the EU is grounds for a second Indyref" Sturgeon just declared that she'd swing the SNP to back May's Brexit plan. Last time a government tottered so badly as this one was Labour in 1978. And where were the SNP then? Shock horror - they were backing the Tories.
     
  6. eddiemcgarrigle

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    Proof?
     
  7. StuBob

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    I'm sorry but this one has gone completely over my head? :confused:
     
  8. iamtheoneneo

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    Sturgeon and Spanish lol. They talk the talk but nothing will ever happen.

    They just love to mouth off alot.
     
  9. JeditOjanen

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    The Guardian, two days ago.
     
  10. eddiemcgarrigle

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    You expect an English newspaper to tell the truth about Scottish politics? Even the Scottish rags don't tell the truth about the SNP. You'll excuse me though, I thought it must have been the Daily Mail.

    If you want to know the SNP policy on Brexit, try and convince Channel 4 to have devolved parliament representation on it's upcoming Brexit debate. Only English parties involved, which gives no thought to anyone outside England even though this effects us all.
     
  11. JeditOjanen

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    Eddie, you're going full "fake news" here. You need to take a step back from this thread.
     
  12. eddiemcgarrigle

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    The long held myth that the SNP ushered in Thatcher is exactly that, a myth. Even a simple google search will tell you it was rebel Labour backbenchers who toppled Labour. As for Brexit, it's widely reported that the SNP preference is for Scotland to remain in the EU. A deal that sees Northern Ireland and Gibraltar continue to trade in the customs union because they voted remain seems fair but Scotland has been told that we are to put up and shut up. No special deal for Scotland even though every area in Scotland voted to remain.

    As for not trusting the media. Do you remember the furore over Michelle Thomson? It ran for weeks, on tv and in the press. Did we hear a thing when it was proven she had done nothing wrong? Barely a peep, it was almost trial by media. Now we hear that Theresa May is in Scotland to push her brand of Brexit and has welcomed the press to attend a meeting, well most of the press. The only pro-indy newspaper that we have has been refused access. Shades of Trumpism there.
     
  13. Pudney

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    You seem to ignore the quite significant difference in the geographic position of N. Ireland and Gibraltar to Scotland. Which is more relevant to the possibility to any "special" deal than voting position in the referendum.

    Perhaps people would listen to you more if your opinions weren't so blatantly biased.
     
  14. eddiemcgarrigle

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    Geographic position!!!! Would the backstop be any different to England if it where on the border with Scotland rather than in the Irish Sea?
     
  15. JeditOjanen

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    Really? One simple google search later:

    I suspect that the SNP's 11 MPs voting as a bloc with the Tories had a far larger effect on the outcome than the zero "rebel Labour backbenchers" who did likewise. The only Labour MPs who didn't vote against the motion were the tellers and Sir Alfred Broughton, who had offered to get off his ******* deathbed to support the government but was told by Callaghan to stay home.
     
  16. JeditOjanen

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    As for this drivel: if you're talking about an independent Scotland then there wouldn't be a backstop. The backstop is a unique requirement created by the disunity of Ireland.
     
  17. mburn_83

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    Hardly, if labour had delivered on devolution then perhaps the snp would not have voted against them?

    But regardless all they did was cause a general election, which labour lost. That this is still an attack after all this time is strange.
     
  18. eddiemcgarrigle

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    Labour backbenchers would not allow concessions to the SNP as they had done for Plaid Clymu, Labour put the amendment into the Devolution Bill that effectively won it, had a similar act been in place for Brexit, that wouldn't have happened either.
     
  19. JeditOjanen

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    The Scottish devolution referendum did not meet the required level of support. This is not a bad thing, either; as Eddie has said, the EU referendum should have had a similar requirement.
     
  20. eddiemcgarrigle

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    The Devolution Bill was hamstrung by a Scottish Labour MP, nothing quite like those who prefer ermine to their own country.

    A little slip on a recent BBC Newsnight interview saw them blurt out that a no deal Brexit would result in a 9% hit on the economy "that's like Scotland leaving the UK, a £200 billion hit". So there you have it, Scotland contributes £200 billion and gets £32 billion back.