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Scottish Independance Referendum 2

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Kyo, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. RDM

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    I dont think you quite understand economics. £200b might be Scotland’s contributions to the economy (I have no idea if it is) but you dont tax your entire economy, If you did, you wouldn’t have much of an economy for much longer.
     
  2. eddiemcgarrigle

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    Still, in economic terms you also don't leave behind £168 billion when you could use it to ensure yours citizens don't need to go to foodbanks or suffer 5 week delays in getting their benefits.
     
  3. 200sols

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    A crash course in economics is needed. England is not taking £200bn from you and only giving you £32bn back, but I guess the propaganda you read probably tells you otherwise.
     
  4. eddiemcgarrigle

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    Keep reading your Daily Mail matey. This was on the BBC Newsnight programme and was not corrected by the other guests or even the interviewer. Scotland's Block Grant is £32 billion, so who gets the remaining £168 billion that apparently effects GDP. Let me give you a clue, it isn't Scotland.
     
  5. 200sols

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    Since you still dont get it, GDP is a measure of output, it is not a sum of total money you have available to spend, that money comes from taxes.
     
  6. eddiemcgarrigle

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    You don't get it, it was said that losing that amount of money from the economy would badly effect GDP and see it slip by at least 9%. £200 billion was stated as the net worth of Scotland to the exchequer. If Scotland's net worth is £200b then perhaps you can understand the ire at Scotland only getting £32b in the block grant?
     
  7. RDM

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    Only if you don't understand economics. £200b isn't going to the exchequer, £200b is what is considered to be the GDP of Scotland, this is not paid to anyone. You would need to look at the tax take in Scotland compared to the money spend in Scotland (which isn't all covered by the block grant) to see if Scotland is actually losing out.
     
  8. 200sols

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    Net worth to GDP, so if Scotland left the UK economy would be £200bn smaller, it does not mean if Scotland left they would have £200bn to spend on public services..
     
  9. RDM

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  10. JeditOjanen

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    Think of it like having £2000 in a locked investment account. You can't touch that £2000, but every year you get £320 in interest. That's how GDP works; the GDP is your principal, taxes are the interest.
     
  11. Stretch

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  12. StriderX

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    Really should start ejecting Russia Today wholesale, including it's minions. Just try him for treason tbh.
     
  13. Mr Badger

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  14. chrismscotland

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    As Badger says he hadn't until now actually been charged with anything, I can only assume its to do with the Sexual Harassment claims

    I have to agree - RT is cringeworthy stuff and for some reason seems to be populated with a lot of ex-Scottish politicians, its embarassing.
     
  15. mikeo

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    Isn't it just :(

    Maybe it's because it is one of the few forums left, that the guy can get any exposure on. He's always liked the sound of his own voice.
     
  16. chrismscotland

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    He does that! Looks fairly serious what he’s been charged with...
     
  17. mattcrane

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    As far as I am aware it was the Scottish Parliamentary Investigation that was flawed not the Police Scotland Investigation.
     
  18. Uther

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    Even though he's not been in charge of the SNP for years the unionists will have a field day with this.
     
  19. chrismscotland

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    Based on Twitter they already are
     
  20. Nasher

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    RT represents the typical Russian stance on everything. Lie when you get caught out doing something dodgy even when everyone else knows it's a lie, or blame it all on someone else. Only report government approved news from within Russia (or get novichoked). Recruit disgruntled or disgraced politicians, reporters or "experts" to try and appear credible.
     
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