Scottish independence referendum deal agreed.

How can you 'negotiate' after the referendum? What is there to negotiate - it's already been decided at that point, so there goes the negotiating position?
 
grumpysculler said:
No.

The SNP's opinion on the EU position will be clarified in the white paper. The SNP like to assert "perfectly sensible solutions" but the EU (and NATO, etc) are free to adopt something different. the only people who can clarify the EU position are the EU.
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Good point, well made...
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
Scotland is a member country under the dictates of the United Kingdom and should Scotland vote for independence from said Disjointed Kingdom it would still be a member country, not a new state.
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Scotland is not a member country, nor are England/Wales/NI, the UK is a member of the EU and Scotland/England/Wales/NI are members of the UK. If any member of the UK leaves then it no longer has membership of the UK or any groups the UK is a member off, it really is that simple.
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
Scotland is a member country under the dictates of the United Kingdom and should Scotland vote for independence from said Disjointed Kingdom it would still be a member country, not a new state.
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Interviewer said:
"So if, and I am using the example of Scotland, and I appreciate you are not talking about specifics, but say a country like Scotland, it, say, chooses independence, it is then like a new state applying to the EU?"
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Jose Manuel Barroso said:
"For European Union purposes, from a legal point of view, it is certainly a new state. If a country becomes independent it is a new state and has to negotiate with the EU.
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Interviewer said:
"What about the rest of the UK that is effectively left behind by Scotland's independence...."
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Jose Manuel Barroso said:
"That is the principle of the continuity of the state, in that case if a....
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Interviewer said:
"Would it have to renegotiate its terms?"
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Jose Manuel Barroso said:
"No, no in principle no."
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You can start splitting hairs but it seems pretty clear from a EU perspective, you're wrong.

PlacidCasual said:
Funny thing is Barroso and co are not saying that to disuade Scotland claiming independence but to scupper the Catalans.
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I don't think it's aimed at anyone in particular. However you need to consider that none of the large member stateS want to see their countries fragment..
 
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It was also mentioned on the News that the views expressed by Barroso were not the official stance from the EU, as that has yet to be determined by committee. Though of course his view is highly respected and influential.

So it doesn't look good for the SNP's point of view tbh...
 
Freakbro said:
It was also mentioned on the News that the views expressed by Barroso were not the official stance from the EU, as that has yet to be determined by committee. Though of course his view is highly respected and influential.

So it doesn't look good for the SNP's point of view tbh...
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I have no doubts that either Scotland will stay in the EU (there's nothing in the EU books on stripping members status, they may use that) or fast tracked into membership as Secession is a special case.

While Scotland alone will be no military/economic powerhouse, it will be a stable state and wont weaken the EU by staying in. Leaving the EU will weaken it though, ideologically if nothing else.
 
Woden said:
I have no doubts that either Scotland will stay in the EU (there's nothing in the EU books on stripping members status, they may use that) or fast tracked into membership as Secession is a special case.

While Scotland alone will be no military/economic powerhouse, it will be a stable state and wont weaken the EU by staying in. Leaving the EU will weaken it though, ideologically if nothing else.
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The stumbling block will be the requirement for unanimous accent from all members, Spain will possibly prove to be somewhat reluctant as they may set a precedent in their own internal secession issues as illustrated by its reluctance to even recognise Kosovo.
 
Castiel said:
The stumbling block will be the requirement for unanimous accent from all members, Spain will possibly prove to be somewhat reluctant as they may set a precedent in their own internal secession issues as illustrated by its reluctance to even recognise Kosovo.
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Charge €1.50 entry to the vote. Spain can't afford that.
 
Castiel said:
The stumbling block will be the requirement for unanimous accent from all members, Spain will possibly prove to be somewhat reluctant as they may set a precedent in their own internal secession issues as illustrated by its reluctance to even recognise Kosovo.
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The other stumbling bocks are the consessions the UK has negotiated from Europe. I can't see Scotland not having to join the euro, shengen etc as it would be highly unfair on other aspiring members who have seen little flexibility from the EU. Scotland is also highly unlikely to receive any rebate.

The Catalan situation is slightly less complicate in some respects because Spain has no consessions. It would be a straightforward in or out vote.
 
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eddiemcgarrigle said:
Scotland is a member country under the dictates of the United Kingdom and should Scotland vote for independence from said Disjointed Kingdom it would still be a member country, not a new state.
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eddiemcgarrigle said:
President of the EU does not seem to grasp the difference between a new state and sovereign country.
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Lol, I see the SNP Cybernat clowns are still in full denial mode.:D
 
So the Question has been changed as the wording that the SNP wanted was prejudicial. the Election Commission has said the language should be neutral and so the question has changed from:

"Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?"

to:

"Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Something myself and others mentioned right at the beginning of this discussion, either in this thread or one of the others.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-21245701
 
On QT this week (from Scotland) I'm sure they said the support for the Yes to Independence vote was down to about 25%, which doesn't sound good for you guys in favour of it.
 
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