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Poll: Scottish independence vote

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Biohazard, Sep 23, 2013.

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Scottish independence, yes or no?

  1. I'm Scottish and in favour of independence

    137 vote(s)
    10.9%
  2. I'm Scottish and against independence

    167 vote(s)
    13.3%
  3. I'm from another part of UK and in favour of Scottish independence

    273 vote(s)
    21.7%
  4. I'm from another part of UK and against Scottish independence

    682 vote(s)
    54.2%
  1. Macro

    Soldato

    Joined: Jun 9, 2006

    Posts: 5,689

    Somehow the comedy value of rUK handing over 9% or the UKs combined assets to iScotland, just not on the SNPs terms and not all of it in Scotland makes me chuckle. iScotland gets 9% of assets, just spread all over the UK across England, Wales and Northern Ireland as well as Scotland. In the mean time rUK retains control of 91% of ex UK assets in iScotland as well as Wales, England and NI. It'd be worth it just to see the look on Wee Wrecks face :D
     
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  2. Amp34

    Caporegime

    Joined: Jul 25, 2005

    Posts: 28,867

    Location: Canada

    Unfortunately it is THE issue. The referendum will be won or lost on how most people think they will do economically out of it. Most of the electorate aren't interested in "William Wallace" and notions of freedom and Scotland ruling over itself. Most aren't even interested in the style of democracy or becoming more socialist. Most are only interested in whether their standard of living will go up or down, whether an independent Scotland will mean they are £500 better/worse off. It's why the debate on these forums and the outside world is so focussed on money.
     
  3. robgmun

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 30, 2006

    Posts: 15,638

    Location: London

    The Labour run Welsh NHS on the other hand has been utterly destroyed
     
  4. Tefal

    Capo Crimine

    Joined: Jun 30, 2007

    Posts: 66,519

    Location: Wales


    yeah it's pretty embarrassing how **** it is here compared to over the border, aside from the free prescriptions it's gone very down hill. takes ages to be seen
     
  5. Schlong&Stable

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 27, 2013

    Posts: 4,083

    I see the Wings over Scotland website has been trying to character assassinate a woman with a disabled child, branding her a quisling etc. Well done to them.
     
  6. grumpysculler

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Nov 23, 2009

    Posts: 1,195

    That abuse started in the First Minister's office, Wings just took it further.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ack-on-mother-who-spoke-up-for-the-Union.html

    In other news, Better Together have launched a new grassroots group called Wizards Together.
    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/salmond-accuses-jk-rowling-of-sorcery-2014061187484

    (and a rather will written and less satirical piece at http://www.jkrowling.com/en_GB/#/news-events)
     
  7. JeditOjanen

    Mobster

    Joined: Feb 7, 2011

    Posts: 4,812

    JK Rowling should be able to tell the difference between reality and an escapist fantasy about a society run by magic. She's written enough of the latter.
     
  8. xs2man

    Mobster

    Joined: Jul 21, 2008

    Posts: 4,686

    ****ing scumbags. (EDIT: Wow, the swear filter here is extreme, I didn't even use a real swear word there)

    If you can't "win" independence without abusing people with differing opinions, then you're case isn't strong enough. Why not strengthen their case by providing actual facts and figures?

    Oh yes, I forgot, because that will inevitably weaken their case. Oh well.
     
  9. V F

    Capodecina

    Joined: Aug 13, 2003

    Posts: 16,038

    Location: UK

    She shouldn't have gotten involved in this. No doubt done for the intentions of a promised Dame or Knighthood tag.

    As the backlash and heated views has already started with her, sadly. These things never end well.
     
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  10. xs2man

    Mobster

    Joined: Jul 21, 2008

    Posts: 4,686

    Surely if she felt strongly enough she is entitled to donate her own hard earned though?

    It's the Yes sides fault for vilifying her.
     
  11. mysticsniper

    Sgarrista

    Joined: May 1, 2003

    Posts: 9,337

    Why shouldn't she get involved, she has strong links to Scotland namely her husband who was born in Scotland and she believes in the NO vote.
     
  12. jh30uk

    PermaBanned

    Joined: Feb 19, 2014

    Posts: 3,848

    Location: To

    She would have been better using that £1m to put a hit out on (spikey alt word) Salmond.
     
  13. VoG

    Soldato

    Joined: Jan 20, 2004

    Posts: 5,712

    Location: Nottingham

    Why shouldn't she get involved?, she's lived in Scotland for 20 odd years, her husbands Scottish so i imagine she will have an opinion on the subject, is her opinion less valid than say Sean Connery's just because she's not Scottish born?.
     
  14. jh30uk

    PermaBanned

    Joined: Feb 19, 2014

    Posts: 3,848

    Location: To

    He lives in a tax haven so F him.

    It effects UK so she should have a say same as rest of you.
     
  15. grumpysculler

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Nov 23, 2009

    Posts: 1,195

    Lol what? A long term Scottish resident who is eligible to vote in the referendum shouldn't get involved in it? That rules out, well, almost everyone in both campaigns.

    Her explanation for her reasons was very well written (and aligns with a lot of the reason I oppose independence). I don't suppose many people actually read it though. She is articulate, intelligent and has more experience of the welfare state than most. Why shouldn't she express her views?

    No they don't, but are you suggesting that union supporters should keep quiet because the so-called cybernats will launch abuse at them if they speak up against independence?

    Is an independent Scotland going to be such a utopia that the majority cannot speak their mind for fear of upsetting a vocal and abusive minority?

    And while this is going on, Alex is praising the high quality of debate!
     
  16. Raumarik

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 14, 2003

    Posts: 13,732

    Exactly, I'm not her husband btw but my wife is English and has lived in Scotland since she was 18 and studied at Edinburgh Uni, it's daft that people think that JK shouldn't get involved, she has every right to.

    Bottom line is she's done more for Scotland that a massive majority of Scots ever will in terms of bringing in money and raising it's profile.
     
  17. Quartz

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Apr 1, 2014

    Posts: 9,993

    Location: Aberdeen

    I can attest to being subject to abuse for not supporting the Yes campaign. I'm undecided, at the moment.
     
  18. yonderblue

    Gangster

    Joined: Dec 18, 2002

    Posts: 220

    Location: Ecosse

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  19. yonderblue

    Gangster

    Joined: Dec 18, 2002

    Posts: 220

    Location: Ecosse

    WOS has said nothing of kind, You made all that up all by yourself.
     
  20. grumpysculler

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Nov 23, 2009

    Posts: 1,195

    Which doesn't fit with what we see around us on the internet. That doesn't mean it isn't true, but the question is subjective and wide open to manipulation.

    It also doesn't excuse the behaviour of Yes supporters on twitter, etc. I would equally condemn any No supporters who engage in abusive ad hominem attacks, but we don't see nearly so much of that.

    I'm not pretending that No supporters are all angels (way back, the Yes bloke who got knocked over on the Royal Mile didn't deserve it and that was probably one of the earliest examples), but abuse from the pro-independence side is certainly more visible.

    So Wings of Scotland didn't run an article spreading lies in an attempt to discredit Lally? The attacks started with the office of First Minister, but Wings have been happy to pick it up and run with it.

    There has been a fairly consistent problem of Yes and Yes supporters attacking the person and not the message. Some No supporters are guilty of the same, but I've never seen the same level of vitriol.

    The quisling comment wasn't from Wings. They may have reported it, I don't know. Quisling was first used, so far as I know, by the SSP (a Yes permitted participant) to brand members of BT. It's use has become more widespread in recent weeks and you'll find it around on twitter plenty. It is attitudes like this that will irreparably damage Scotland whatever the vote.