just over a third of voting age Scots voted to remain in the EU, the rest either voted to leave or didn't care either way. EU membership was nowhere near as important in Indyref 1 as the SNP would like to believe.
Scottish Inderef Mk2 - lets have a civilized discussion folks.
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Most Scottish people couldn't care less about the EU because only a third voted to stay in it. Independance would mean leaving the EU anyway. Anybody who thinks any different is either so blinkered by the crap spouted by the SNP or are living in a dream world. Scotland is not and never has been a member of the EU. The UK is the member and Scotland would have to apply for membership.
The majority of the Scottish people don't want a referendum, it's the SNP that is pushing for it because that's the only thing they exist for. The greens are in it with them because there are so few of them it's the only way they can make themselves look important. We had enough of this nonsense the first time around and the bile and hatred divided the country and now that witch is starting it up all over again. The English are getting involved because they are in the completely wrong opinion that the Scottish people are pushing for it. They are not. It's the SNP and their die hard nationalists that live in a complete fantasy land that are pushing for it.
Sturgeon is just another EU stooge trying to stop the UK from leaving, she's not interested in an independent Scotland at all she wants them in the EU, Scottish independence is only about weakening the UK. She also wants the referendum now because she and her handlers know that Brexit won't be the disaster they're trying to portray it as.
Scotland voted for Union in 2014 and again voted for Union in 2016. It was England and Wales that voted for division and separation. This time will Scotland vote to remain part of an union of unequals? I think not and I would like to see the EU element being campaigned as an option but also a preferred route being EFTA. Maintaining a campaign on continuing membership with the EU creates unnecessary uncertainty and would be akin to the 'too many holes to to question' that led to the No vote in 2014. If we keep it as an option but instead centre our arguments in keeping FOM and single market through EFTA or other such agreement then the scope for votes will increase.
Then why are all the pro leavers showing concern over Scotland leaving the UK when we are told it is subsidised and now Brexit will be an unmitigatred success? You should be promoting the indyref#2 for your own self interest then, surely? Unless all the above is nonsense?
Soldato
That's not how elections work - if it was, we wouldn't be having Brexit as only 37.5% of uk voters voted to leave.
The fact is that if the EU referendum results from Scotland had been taken in isolation, the result would be Remain.
When included with the rest of the uk voting results, the result is Leave.
Regardless of their views on EU membership, a lot of Scots will feel that they have been overruled by the UK.
No, 52% of those who could be bothered vote, voted for Brexit. They haven't been overruled at all, it was a UK vote not a region of the UK vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave.
You've taken that quote out of context, it makes more sense without the second sentence deleted.
Soldato
This is exactly the point I was making. And in Scotland, 62% of those who could be bothered to vote, voted to Remain.
Soldato
I removed the second sentence because I didnt think it was relevant. As I said in that post, it's the feeling of being overruled that is causing (some) people to want to leave the UK - not their actual views on Eu membership.
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The UK didn't make a special deal, it was never obliged to take the Euro as it joined before the Euro was created. New members are obliged to take the Euro.
You are demonstrating a repeated ignorance of the subjects you speak of. Does it not make you reconsider your position when so much of what you believe about independence is flatly wrong?
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So every English region/county that voted remain should have a referendum to split from England ?
No, you said only 37.5% of people voted to leave, even less voted to remain. They should never have broken it down by region. This has given the SNP all the ammunition they need.
Then to reiterate, the SNP are pushing the EU referendum as a reason Scotland needs another indyref, despite most Scots not caring about the EU and it obviously not being a major factor in the result of the last referendum. If surgeon thinks she can win a referendum based on appealing to a minority of Scots then she has an uphill battle considering how many of the SNPs claims from the previous ref have since been debunked and the fact there's now less support for independence.
The biggest question mark i have over the Scots independence row, is that Scotland is NOT a self sufficient nation, the north sea oil reserves are not theirs, they have no independent military and the country itself is only the way it is thanks to its partnership in the united kingdom..
The thing I find most comical about it is, Sturgeon goes on and on like a broken record about how Scotlands voice is being ignored/etc when it's complete nonsense. Northern Ireland has grounds to claim it's voice/votes were ignored but Scotland was instrumental in delivering the leave vote. Over a million Scots voted to leave the EU, if they had voted to stay the UK would be staying in the EU, so nobody can claim Scotlands voices didn't count, the issue is Sturgeon will not accept that Scotland has more than one voice and they don't always agree (hence why she is determined to ask this question until the voice she prefers answers).
Most north sea oil fields are in Scottish waters, just like most gas reserves are in English waters.
The big issue with oil/gas is that most of the "Scottish" reserves are nearer to the Shetland isles which are very pro-unionist, almost entirely in fact. And if Scotland did vote to leave the UK but the Shetlands voted to remain then what then? It's a whole can of worms (though thankfully one devalued since the last ref so not as important).
British Scottish regiments/etc breaking away to form Scotlands military solves point 1. History, reality and not being silly solve point 2.