Scottish Students need to stop whining!
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Seriously - how do people not get this? Some of us, strange as it may seem to some of you guys, are not morally selfish! Standing up for others takes a lot more conviction than standing up for yourself.
Soldato
But it will likely have a knock on effect on scottish university.
(Fee raise in scotland, having to pay for fees in scotland, higher quality of education in england... etc)
As for protests, I think the peaceful ones done right are a good idea, the funny thing is the majority of the people protesting I imagine are arts students who arent going to get a degree regardless of wether they come out with X years of tuition or not
.If the company you work for announced that they would be decreasing the salary of half your co-workers by 33% and they were planning strike action in response, would you consider striking with them? or not because you are not affected?
It's sort of the same principle. Just because something does not affect you personally does not make it less wrong. Many times people protest about the way some less fortunate than them (e.g. someone in a foreign country etc, you get the point) are treated, still the protesters are not themselves suffering so why should they care?
If you feel your friends are just displaying herd mentality and jumping on the bandwagon that's a different matter which I can understand, but I disagree with the assertion that they shouldn't care just because it doesn't affect them.
Having said that, I'm not against the tuition fees being hiked up but I'm just debating your point.
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And free hospital parking, and free care for the elderly, and free water.
Oh wait, the Scottish government have tax raising powers meaning some things are free and others more expensive.
Right, what was the topic about again?
Oh wait, the Scottish government have tax raising powers meaning some things are free and others more expensive.
Right, what was the topic about again?
What if they plan to go to an English university?
The fees still potentially have an effect on some of them though tbh.. Edinburgh is pretty damn good so perhaps its only sensible to think about going to an English uni & paying the fees if they were considering Oxbridge or LSE/UCL/Imperial.
New one on me.
Free personal and nursing care.
It isn't free, we have to pay water rates to pay for infrastructure and treatment.
Other than that, it's free.
And damn right, we have enough to drought a desert.
No, they have one tax raising power. The SVR.
It is currently out of action, has never been used by any political administration
If anyone was stupid enough to enact it the result would be of very little benefit to Scotland.
......you're guess is as good as mine.
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You're completely right, nobody up here pays any tax, and all we do is scrounge off of you.
No but they can borrow like crazy now, which has me rather concerned
No they can't.
Nothing like it.
They can borrow small amounts, and from Westminster alone.
No where else.
There is a white paper currently being processed alongside the flawed Calman proposals arguing for full legal borrowing.
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Had free hospital parking for 2 years.
Scotland doesn't have water rates like in England. Sure Scotland still has to pay for the infrastructure etc but there are no water meters. Free sounds a lot better given the context of the discussion.
My choice of words was poor about tax raising powers or the "Tartan tax" as it's called. I meant the government powers/law as a whole. As generic and non descript as it sounds.
Scotland doesn't have water rates like in England. Sure Scotland still has to pay for the infrastructure etc but there are no water meters. Free sounds a lot better given the context of the discussion.
My choice of words was poor about tax raising powers or the "Tartan tax" as it's called. I meant the government powers/law as a whole. As generic and non descript as it sounds.
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Lol @ this.
Scotland does amazingly well from Westminster, and living standards up in Scotland are MUCH higher than down south.
I just wish the morons that voted for the scottish parliament would die a slow death.
Its a complete waste of time and money.
Unfortunatly, the Nationists and morons with the biggest mouths have the least brains.
sighs....
Scotland does amazingly well from Westminster, and living standards up in Scotland are MUCH higher than down south.
I just wish the morons that voted for the scottish parliament would die a slow death.
Its a complete waste of time and money.
Unfortunatly, the Nationists and morons with the biggest mouths have the least brains.
sighs....
Also free prescriptions I believe
Nope
My choice of words was poor about tax raising powers or the "Tartan tax" as it's called. I meant the government powers/law as a whole. As generic and non descript as it sounds.
Now that you say this I remember reading something about the snp screwing something up and the Scottish parliament can no longer use that tax.
The Scottish parliament is a waste we could do so much more with that money
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Why should the protestors not actually express an interest in what is going on provided they do so legitimately and without violence? It doesn't have to affect them directly but pick your cliche "no man is an island" (John Donne), "who is my neighbour?" (Luke 10:25-29) or just the general principle that what affects one side of the border is likely to hit the other in due course. I've found it slightly amusing to note that so many of the commentators about the student protests and their lawlessness are of the age where they could have taken part in the protests of the 60s and 70s (and quite possibly did) yet now it's unacceptable... I don't agree with everything that the protestors have done or the way they've gone about much of it but people complain that young people are uninvolved often, they get involved and yet people still complain.
I'll skirt the somewhat predictable issue of how Scotland are doing so well out of the Union as it comes up almost every time Scotland is mentioned.
I'll skirt the somewhat predictable issue of how Scotland are doing so well out of the Union as it comes up almost every time Scotland is mentioned.
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Predictable retort: Westminster does amazingly well from Scotland.
Scottish Universities are well renound. And on what ground does Scotland have a MUCH higher living standard than down south? Being refered to as the old man of europe? Lowest life expentancy in western europe? Highest murder rate in western europe? etc.....
And indeed I can see why. Look at Biohazards tired reply. Here we go again! He has pointed out facts repeatedly yet the same uneducated retorts arise. maybe they should go to Uni in Scotland?
This applies to all countries when it comes to university fees:
http://www.millionplus.ac.uk/press/tuition-fee-increases-are-robbing-peter-to-pay-paul-
If people are pro raising fees or introducing them in places like Wales and Scotland, they need to understand that by doing so with the current loans system in place will cause MORE national debt.
The numbers are pretty simple to work out, if a student leaves university and within 25-30 years doesn't pay off the debt it's wiped clean. This is what happens due to putting interest on top, the government are taxing their own money for something they won't get a return back on!
It's actually cheaper for a government to pay universities fees in full and introduce a graduate tax scheme.
http://www.millionplus.ac.uk/press/tuition-fee-increases-are-robbing-peter-to-pay-paul-
If people are pro raising fees or introducing them in places like Wales and Scotland, they need to understand that by doing so with the current loans system in place will cause MORE national debt.
The numbers are pretty simple to work out, if a student leaves university and within 25-30 years doesn't pay off the debt it's wiped clean. This is what happens due to putting interest on top, the government are taxing their own money for something they won't get a return back on!
It's actually cheaper for a government to pay universities fees in full and introduce a graduate tax scheme.